Dammit, thank you. I was livid that he could say "kyke" on a television program hosted by a Jewish man, but left out "nigger" in his sleu of racial slurs. Since when are derogatory phrases more offensive than others? And since when are racial slurs less offensive than "shit" and "ass"?
If it were up to me (as most things should be, ha!) "bitches and hoes" would be just as offensive as "kykes, faggots, and spics". ...which reminds me of a quote from the movie Mean Girls: "You have to stop calling each other bitches and sluts. It just makes it okay for the guys to do it, too." (Or something along those lines.)
I am pretty sure that "nigger" is a no no for the FCC. That guy is in broadcasting and he was really concerned with Jon "losing Alabama." So, I think the ONLY reason he didn't say it at first and said the other slurs was because he knew it wasn't allowed, not because he didn't think it was right.
I am sick and tired of people treating all bad language as "bad". Not everything is the same. The words "cock" and "fuck" were bleeped out in last night's broadcast. The words "kyke" and "fagot" were not. Neither was a speculative rap quote stating all women are "bitches and hos", which again, can do a lot more damage than Jon Stewart saying the word "shit", which was bleeped out.
you are dead on right about all of this but this part stuck out to me the most. there is a huge difference between being offended by words and being hurt by them. while they may not hurt physically, they can very well hurt emotionally/mentally which is just as bad (at least I think so). but it is a good thing you pointed out there and it just shows one of the ways our culture has evolved to make some things acceptable and others not when it should probably be the other way around.
I'm not sure i totally understand what you mean. When you say while they may not hurt physically, they can very well hurt emotionally/mentally which is just as bad, are you referring to the racial slurs or to the "profanity"? Because if you mean the latter, I would have to disagree. See, one of things this hit close to home is because 2 weeks ago, 3 people were stabbed, stabbed, in our local Pride parade. I don't see how hearing the word "fuck" (bleeped out or not) could every possibly equal that, especially since we are talking about an adult audience who is aware of what each show is like before choosing to watch it.
oh, no, I mean racial slurs, not profanity. profanity (i.e. the word "fuck") never hurt anyone I don't think but racial slurs can be very hurtful. and in the instance you are refering to, it ended up hurting physically as well, unfortunately. sorry for the misunderstanding so lets just leave it at this - I agree with you 110% ;)
I see what mean. That it doesn't even have to end up in physical pain to be painful. Which, of course, is totally and completely true. I tend to use extreme cases when trying to prove a point.
i had all these same thoughts as i was watching last night. thanks for posting about it. society is so truly fucked up. my jaw dropped as i heard him say those racial slurs on there. who thinks that is even remotely okay in this day and age? i'd been operating under the assumption that all racial, gender, and sexuality-based slurs were eliminated from the common vernacular (at least in mixed company!) at this point. apparently, i was wrong!
Well, to be fair, I doubt he actually uses them, but the fact that those words aren't bleeped out is quite shocking. I also loved how he kept saying the world is going to shit because people curse, but laughed and didn't bat an eye when all the profanity was used in that discussion.
ITA about the difference between being offended by words versus being hurt by them. Words like "fuck" "shit" or "cock" don't offend me at all; I guess some people are offended by them but the fact is, they don't hurt anyone. Words like "nigger" "kyke" and "faggot" don't hurt me because when people use those words I know they aren't referring to me. But the fact is, lots of people I know and care about ARE hurt by those words; those words are used for personal attacks upon them, and because of that I am offended when I hear them.
There is something seriously fucked up about the fact that words that can't possibly hurt anyone have been deemed "offensive", while it's perfectly okay to say words that have no purpose other than to hurt.
I love that Jon Stewart is trying to reclaim the word "offensive" to what people truly take offense at (or should). This is the second time he's tried to explain on the show that he takes offense at people being hateful and lying, rather than at people saying shit. I think the last time was with Zell Miller.
I don't remember much of the interview, so I can't remember him making that point. But I distinctly recall he was VERY cordial (and soft IMO) wil Zell, contrary to the sentiments expressed in the DS community.
Oh, he was very gentle with Miller, that's true. But he did try to press the issue of using the word "offensive" for stuff that's not as offensive as really bad things going on. He just sort of mentioned it, though, but since (obviously) it struck a chord with me, I remember it. Although it might have been Newt Gingrich, come to think of it. It was some creepy Republican there to talk values, anyway.
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If it were up to me (as most things should be, ha!) "bitches and hoes" would be just as offensive as "kykes, faggots, and spics".
...which reminds me of a quote from the movie Mean Girls: "You have to stop calling each other bitches and sluts. It just makes it okay for the guys to do it, too."
(Or something along those lines.)
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you are dead on right about all of this but this part stuck out to me the most. there is a huge difference between being offended by words and being hurt by them. while they may not hurt physically, they can very well hurt emotionally/mentally which is just as bad (at least I think so). but it is a good thing you pointed out there and it just shows one of the ways our culture has evolved to make some things acceptable and others not when it should probably be the other way around.
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I see what mean. That it doesn't even have to end up in physical pain to be painful. Which, of course, is totally and completely true. I tend to use extreme cases when trying to prove a point.
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There is something seriously fucked up about the fact that words that can't possibly hurt anyone have been deemed "offensive", while it's perfectly okay to say words that have no purpose other than to hurt.
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