WWTKD

[sleepysaj]

You've heard WWJD - What Would Jesus Do. Its a cute, quick phrase meant to help people come to the right moral decision. Well, here's another. WWTKD - What Would the Klan Do?

(Des Moines, Iowa) The Ku Klux Klan is preparing to stage a demonstration next month in Des Moines, Iowa to protest a lawsuit seeking marriage equality for same-sex

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[sleepysaj]

Thanks, you're kind to comment. :)

[littlebluedog]

Dropped in via a link in abrichar's journal.

To be honest, I admire the sentiment behind this, but with all due respect, I find that I have a little trouble agreeing with your point.

To stand against gay marriage is to stand with the Klan.

I don't think so. If you hold an idea in your head and believe in it, it's because the idea resonates with your own personal code of ethics, usually due to some reason or group of reasons, regardless of whoever else advocates in favor or against the idea. Belief in an idea on its own does not, and should not, serve as an indicator of affiliation with any other entity that might espouse the same idea (unless you believe in an idea precisely because a group with which you wish to be affiliated also believes it

[sleepysaj]

Hi and welcome.

I appreciate your argument, and certainly it has merit in a Logic 101 sort of way. My post was off the cuff as well, not a well researched nor a time-heavy piece by any means. So, your response has put me back here giving further consideration to my words - also appreciated.

On the surface, I would agree that simply because you and Hitler both profess to believe in God, this singular agreement would not mean that you are in agreement in all things. You might also share a love for broccoli, 18th century poetry, and snow at Christmastime. These commonalities would never translate into an assumption that you also support genocide.

But central to this determination is (1) an investigation into the reasoning and the basis behind the person's beliefs; i.e., an identification of the reason Y that someone holds belief X; and (2) an identifiable correspondence among the related concepts that might justify extrapolation.If the Klan comes out in favor of broccoli, or some other general category of thing, then I would

[polarbear]

It's still a non sequitur, and saying that "it has merit in a Logic 101 sort of way" seems a little condescending, but maybe I'm seeing that wrong. Swaying people in speeches with non sequiturs has been commonplace throughout history. It's a highly effective albeit logically fallacious method of hitting people emotionally. And what's that they say about winning hearts and minds?

But hate has no place in my life, nor what I've seen of littlebluedog's life, but then neither does faulty reasoning, unless I've been drinking. ;)

[sleepysaj]

The point of that paragraph in which I made my reference to logic 101 was that I had written the post in a cursory manner, and I read littlebluedog's response as a quick reply to a quick post. Surface level thinking on both sides. But, since it appears you know littlebluedog, and you don't know me, I can understand why that part stood out to you.

To dismiss the argument as a non sequitur, or more harshly as faulty reasoning, is IMO, to remain at that surface level. While at that level there are similarities to other engaging, yet fallacious arguments, I see much deeper ties which are, again IMO, worth exploring to a stronger logical conclusion.

As for your hate reference, I must really be slipping. I don't often have this much difficulty expressing my emotional state. I'm about as far from hate as a person can be. The holidays have wiped me out, I guess, and I'm forming less friendly sentences as a result. There's no hate here. Not even for the KKK. :)

[venus_blue]

Do you have a link to the original article? Because I really, really want to have a copy of it printed and kept with me for my far too often screaming matches with people who want to tell me how wrong homosexuality is.

[sleepysaj]

The article I read was in the Advocate:

The Advocate

But, if you would prefer a more mainstream paper, here it is in the Des Moines Register. Its an AP story, so if you google it you'll get lots of choices.

Des Moines Register

thats not even a contradiction..

[anonymous]

thats not even a question where do you stand? with the gays or with the klan

Re: thats not even a contradiction..

[sleepysaj]

Homosexuality is a normal, standard human deviation. It's not a disease, nor is it a curse. It's not the fault of someone's parents, or the lack of God in their lives. It simply is.

statistics show that 10/10 people die, not not 10/10 people are gay.

Yes, everybody dies. Everybody breathes, and eats, and sleeps, and poops. And that's pretty much where it ends. For everything else, there is diversity. Some people are men, while others are women. Some people are right-handed, while others are left-handed. Some people are blonde, while others are redheads. The majority of people are actually brunettes, but that doesn't mean the blondes and the redheads have to go to a camp to recover.

its like me stepping out in the middle of the street, there a bus coming toward me, but i simply say i don't belive the bus is coming.Its like you, stepping out in the middle of the street, there's a homosexual coming toward you, but you simply say you don't believe in homosexuality