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Aug 10, 2006 17:22

I don't know where this whole thing about "the world is full of hate" thing came from, but I've heard enough ( Read more... )

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big_chronos August 11 2006, 01:33:46 UTC
People shouldn't protest, for the sake of protesting. But by your statement do you mean that you couldn't protest war, or anything? Because it is a given that without war you couldn't protest it. But how couldn't you protest anything without war? Unless protesting is a form of war.

It's a little pessimistic to say someone can't change the world, it's entirely possible. It's very rare that a single person can though, it's more of a collective process, influence is key.

Are we still hanging out tommorow as well?

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smdrevolution August 11 2006, 02:48:28 UTC
what i meant was that without war, we wouldn't have gained the ability to protest, seeing as we have freedom of speech etc.

Sure it's pessimistic, but what's worse? Constantly complaining about something that happens, or having a outlook that says "who cares"?

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burn_the_sunx August 11 2006, 03:03:58 UTC
well, it depends on the war. Wars like the American Revolution we're fought for freedom. But what about all the ones between us and Mexico, most of those were just fought for territory and had nothing to do with freedom. In most cases, when people protest a war, it's not war in general they're protesting, but the reasons for the particular war in which they chose to protest.

Well at least that would be the logical reason for protesting a war, I'm sure a lot of people don't think of it that way.

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smdrevolution August 11 2006, 03:54:06 UTC
well yeah but i'm not really focusing on protesting in certain wars, I just think it's stupid to suddenly think there's hatred, when the world has hatred all the time. Besides, it's for power. As long as we are seperated nations, there will be war and hatred. And since we've tried multiple times to unite and countries don't want to, it seems safe to say there will always be war.

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incognitos16 August 11 2006, 03:51:48 UTC
George Washington, Jesus, Mohamed (sp), Ghandi, FDR, Martin Luther King Jr., Pope John Paul II, Hitler, Stalin, Mosolini(sp). These are all people who have changed the world. That list could go on. It is possible for somebody to change the world ( ... )

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burn_the_sunx August 11 2006, 03:55:42 UTC
Taxation without representation is suppresion. and it was more than that, basically the english were setting all of our laws for us, the tax was just at the forfront of it.

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incognitos16 August 11 2006, 04:13:09 UTC
Well, I guess I am being supressed right? I'm only 17, So i dont have any representation for the taxes that I am forced to pay. I dont have an elected leader for myself. I dont have a peer to make represent me in my parents governtment. Right! I'm fucking supressed because I have to pay taxes, but I dont have anybody who I said could make that fucking rule, make that fucking rule for me ( ... )

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smdrevolution August 11 2006, 03:56:10 UTC
I'm not saying that I don't hate lol. I just think it's dumb to hate war, as much as it is to love it.

We should have learned by now that protesting makes things worse most of the time, and to top it off, makes people feel insignificant when they can't make a difference.

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burn_the_sunx August 11 2006, 06:28:57 UTC
all this does is help to prove my point further in that most wars aren't fought for freedom.

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smdrevolution August 11 2006, 14:03:45 UTC
I don't give a shit about what wars are fought for

I do give a shit when people made stupid assumptions based on an emotion that the world has all the time, and blame it on war

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incognitos16 August 12 2006, 03:13:59 UTC
i know, very few of them are. The war right now, its some guys who are taking their religion way to seriously.

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lef_612 August 11 2006, 14:39:40 UTC
its possible to change part of the world.
and i will do it.

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burn_the_sunx August 11 2006, 16:53:42 UTC
if you change the world we're all doomed.

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alexandra_marie August 11 2006, 17:23:37 UTC
Haha, you are such an asshole.

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incognitos16 August 12 2006, 03:34:15 UTC
I dont think so. People who want to change the world dont. Its the people who just do stuff because its the right thing to do, or at least think they are doing the right thing. Do you think Ghandi ever "wanted" to change the world? No, he just saw what was happening, and did the best he could with his time.

God Grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot Change,
Courage to Change the things I can,
and Wisdom to Always tell the Difference.

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anonymous August 12 2006, 04:49:42 UTC
no one can change the world.
you want to change the world?
be the one to blow it up.
you aren't changing the world,
you are just changing your world.
even people who are known for their great actions didn't change the world.
they just changed the lives of the people surrounding them,
even if it was on such a wide scale.

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big_chronos August 12 2006, 04:59:48 UTC
God, I hate replying to anonymous posts.

First, you're talking about teraformation, the actualy Earth, then you speak of the whole people. When people speak it's usualy from perspection. When they say the world they mean mass majority. It is most definatly said that Gerlald Ford changed the world, both as a planet and with people. Green house gasses and the automobile, both ways the world was massively changed.

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incognitos16 August 12 2006, 17:41:18 UTC
Matt, you are talking about Henry Ford, Gerald was the only president to never have actually been elected president.

And to the anonymous post. If you change millions and millions of peoples lives, thats fucking changing the world. Matts Williams is totally right, teraformation and changing people are two diffrent things, and I am pretty sure we werent talking about moving one pile of dirt to another pile of dirt.

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big_chronos August 12 2006, 23:45:47 UTC
Indeed, as said in person quite sorry. But yes, thank you for agreeing.

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