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[snarkylightning]

Why is there no recent meta concerning the gender issues in Supernatural? Everything I can find seems to only be as recent as season three or four.

Speaking of meta, it's ridiculous how much fan dumb there is. It sort of makes me want to cut my breasts off and denounce the female gender as a whole. Which is unfair, because there are plenty of

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[eschatologies]

This is interesting. I honestly, and maybe I am part of the problem, hadn't really considered any gender issues. I sat back while I watched and mainly got involved in the plot - I put the commentary on the back burner (especially seasons 4 and 5 because the Heaven/Hell thing could have gotten very sticky for me). And really, I'm just fascinated with the fraternal relationship and being on the road and being so connected through work and their family (however makeshift it is).

Just, the lack of permanent female presence or what? Ruby and Lilith being evil? Ellen and Jo dying they way they did?

Or is it more to do with the Sam/Dean obsession? 'Cause that's familiar territory from the HP fandom.

[snarkylightning]

I know you have seen the finale, but for anyone else THERE ARE SPOILERS HERE.

I think that attitude is far less damaging than the more prevalent one of "the only good female character in Supernatural is a dead one." It's almost like the moment a female character dies and thus is no longer a threat, she's a saint, but until then, she's loathed by a good percent of the fans.

Mostly it's just the lack of permanent presence of a character that is not (a) white and (b) male. I personally really liked how they handled the Ellen and Jo death scene. And most people I know wouldn't have minded it that much if it did not come after every single other female of import had already been dispatched, usually in ways that were not as drawn-out and memorable.

But when you consider that the four main characters of the show are Dean, Sam, Bobby, and Castiel--four white guys--and that they all miraculously are brought back from death/Hell in the finale... well, I get why Cas couldn't bring Jo and Ellen back because he was lacking his powers in the mid

Well, spoilers here too

[eschatologies]

This is really, really interesting. I guess...hmm, how do I put this? Sorry in advance, my thoughts aren't fully intelligible they way yours are.

We may have already talked about it, I know I've had this conversation with someone, but I really don't like female characters in many of the fandoms I'm into. And maybe that's why SPN grabbed me so instantly. I didn't have to deal with the same old same old female tropes. Buffy faded fast for me - yeah, you were chosen and life is unfair but COME ON. I kept watching for Angel and then Giles and then Spike and then Wesley. House and Wilson keep me involved because Cameron let me down. I think one of the first times I've been fully satisfied was with Donna Noble on Doctor Who

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[snarkylightning]

There are actually quite a few black people on the show. The ones that immediately leap to mind, aside from Cassie and Gordon, are Hendrickson, the vessels of Raphael, Joshua, and Uriel, that married black hunter couple from the first episode of season three, the marine Jake who stabbed Sam in the back in the season two finale, Missouri, that other hunter who gave Dean information about Bela, and I remember at least one other good law enforcement officer. This, however, is another thing that sort of irks me about the show. I am fairly certain that the number of characters who are neither black nor white can be counted on one hand. Well, aside from "The Hammer of the Gods" episode, but all of those people aside from Kali were slaughtered in like five seconds, so

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