Comments | sodzilla: let me tell you what you can do with your "lore column"...

sodzilla

let me tell you what you can do with your "lore column"...

Nov 13, 2011 04:38

http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/11/12/beginner-roleplay-choosing-sides/#continued Anne Stickney is at it again. This time, she's making a choose-your-race guide for RPers that is, shall we say, not up to my exacting standards.

( And here's why. )

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the__ivorytower November 13 2011, 03:58:33 UTC

One of the things I really felt they were building up... pretty much until they brought Varian back was that while the Horde was knitting itself together closely due to the fact that the various factions within the Horde *owed Thrall personally*. The tauren? Owed Thrall. The trolls? Owed Thrall. The ogres... well, they owed Rexxar, who owes Thrall, or at least is loyal to him. Things get vaguer as you hit the Blood Elves and the Forsaken, but I've always felt the inclusion of the Forsaken as being very weak, and would rather have seen the goblins or the ogres filling that slot ( ... )

yukie1013 November 15 2011, 14:46:10 UTC

Blizz seems to be very adept at taking the chickenwuss easy way out with storytelling and thus writing themselves into corners a lot. They needed a full-out war so they wrote Varian and Garrosh as pants-on-the-head stupid jerkasses. And the only people I know who like them that way are Billy Badasses or poor-woobie enablers (who usually trigger me out the ears so bad I have to shut a window before I drive them to despair)--or star-struck OMG HAWT!!!1! teenyboops of various gender when it comes to Varian (even though his in-game model is terrible). The business with the Forsaken? Strikes me as entirely "OH PANIC PANIC PANIC WE DON'T HAVE AN UNDEAD SCARY FACTION NOW, DO SOMETHING!" So now you've thrown a race down the moral slip 'n slide and...now what? Are you planning redemption? IS there some percolating plot with the Thing Under Tirisfal? Or do you even know what the hell you're doing besides pissing me off with your implications that women are unstable and mental illness is synonymous with immorality and outright sociopathy? And ( ... )

darthyan November 19 2011, 09:00:32 UTC

it wasn't that dumb to have forsaken in the horde ( ... )

sodzilla November 20 2011, 01:03:53 UTC

Look, if it's you who's been spamming misspelled anon comments all over my LJ: stop, stop, fucking stop. I'm deleting them. I will ban your ass next.

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laudre November 13 2011, 04:21:55 UTC

If there is one idea about the politics of Azeroth I want to smack into the heads of the lore writers at Blizzard, it is that the position of King of Stormwind is not the counterpart of Warchief of the Horde. King Varian is not King of the Alliance; only the citizens of Stormwind owe him fealty. If the dwarves had acted in any way sensible for a sovereign nation, they should have cut all diplomatic ties with Stormwind at the very least.

the__ivorytower November 13 2011, 04:24:48 UTC

If they had acted sensibly, they wouldn't have taken Moira *blowing up the Deeprun Tram and murdering all the gryphons*, thrown up their hands and gone 'well, she's Magni's daughter'.

YOU'RE AMERICANS. YOU DON'T TAKE SHIT FROM ROYALTY. WHY WOULD ANYONE ELSE?

sodzilla November 13 2011, 04:33:12 UTC

...because as much as they didn't like it, the consequences of ousting Moira and then not having a clear line of succession (because Muradin is already a king, of the Frostborn, and would *you* want Brann as your ruler?) could be worse?

I'd have liked to see an internal dwarven uprising, perhaps with the Bronzebeards who didn't like Moira's rule allying with the Wildhammers, and *that* being how the Council of Three Hammers was eventually forged.

Letting Varian bully them into it, though, was just a very, very bad political move.

the__ivorytower November 13 2011, 04:41:45 UTC

I can sort of see that... if there was only one real figure of authority in Ironforge. There isn't. There's a *senate*. A whole bloody senate. And no one ever talks about them. No one ever calls a senate meeting and goes 'this is the situation, what can we do?'

I also had the impression Muradin was just plain going back to Ironforge now he knows who he is. He certainly did for the council.

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the__ivorytower November 13 2011, 08:36:55 UTC

With the constant push of 'the orcs all love Garrosh' and Blizzard claiming they're going to write a quest line that will 'make us worship Varian as the true king', I have no hope at all that Blizzard is aware of how ridiculous their ideas of politics are.

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the__ivorytower November 13 2011, 17:37:54 UTC

I don't disagree with any of your points at all, but the fact remains, *Blizzard* insists that all the orc NPCs adore Garrosh. I sure as hell wouldn't if I were Garrosh: the event from the Twilight Highlands clinches it for me. I've heard it claimed (from another player, who loves Garrosh) that 'no one died but goblins' during that event. Hahah... no.

The same is true with Varian. *Blizzard* tells us Varian is a hero and noble, but frankly, the last pure Alliance heroic character was Bolvar Fordragon. (This is excepting people like Tyrande or Malfurion who seem to be Kaldorei first, Alliance second).

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asdçöfgdjsuiöofghsdégy what no lol yukie1013 November 14 2011, 23:36:49 UTC

so surely they don't still "deal with mistrust from their allies"?

I know you were totally dropping the sarcasm bomb here but if that's what Stickney's claiming she needs to go and freakin' have a look-see at this.

She also needs to please-'n-thank-you remember how bad Valanar managed to troll everyone up in Talbot guise. If an NPC ever stepped in to intercede and defend the Draenei being turned away, I never heard anything about it.

In closing, she really needs to stop and think about the Unfortunate Implications of painting the races that are pretty explicitly coded as not-the-Euros as 'foreign invaders'. And also word-to-this in re: the Tauren and Trolls and Forsaken ( ... )