I've always felt there was a disservice done to men by the second-wave feminist movement, that I'm not sure I can explain adequately without coming-off like some mysogynist pig. There always seemed to be an expectation that men had to change the very essence of what it meant to be a man. In a nutshell, we were expected to be more like women and the reverse of the scenario was just stupid and silly, because our way was wrong.I'm a woman, and I always kind of felt the same way, in a sense. I've never really felt attracted to these "new" men, and there are a lot of them my age right now (nearing 30). I tend to prefer old-fashioned "manly" men to these sensitive types who cry and feel hurt by everything I say and just don't know how to deal with life
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And now we have a generation of kids being raised by the the "new" men. What's interesting to me is that the shift the other way, where women are becoming more masculine, seems to be in some respects a way to fill the gap, and why I'm hoping there will be a settling in the middle eventually. Look at film and television. How many times in the past, oh 3-5 years, have you heard a female character tell a male to nut/sack/man up?
I think a man should be in touch with his feelings. But the notion of the truly "sensitive man" has largely been rejected by most women, despite it still being listed earnestly by some women as a desirable trait. In fact, I think -most- women tend to lose respect for a man who wears his heart on his sleeve all the time.
Well that's my assumption, too. But... we pee downward anyway. A lot of early urinals went all the way to the floor because it was simpler plumbing for it to just go straight into the sewer line, and you still see them from time to time. I imagine they started getting hung higher on the wall to reduce the floor splatter which can make the tile in a bathroom treacherous. I actually encountered some of these in an otherwise modern McDonald's a while back.
The gist of my observation is, why not just make them ALL low since we pee down anyway. I don't see that there is any more or less comfort from peeing into one that's higher, and therefore no reason to make ONE that is lower than the rest. Actually, a week or so ago I was in a restroom where all the urinals were about the height of the lowered one you see in most restrooms... and they STILL had one even lower, maybe a foot off the floor.
they started getting hung higher on the wall to reduce the floor splatter which can make the tile in a bathroom treacherous
You just answered your own question. This was what I meant by the euphemism of "the comfort" of standing people - the comfort of not having the cuffs of your jeans soaked in urine.
The nominal difference of the 12" between the two isn't going to really make a difference. It's still not going all the way to the floor which is what caused the floor splatter in older urinals. I mean, literally, the basin of those old urinals was recessed into the floor with a porcelain blacksplash running completely down the wall from about chest height. My guess is that over time, not only was it an issue of safety, but cost effectiveness with the introduction of PVC pipe: I'm sure an extra couple of feet of pipe to hit the sewer was cheaper than all that extra porcelain.
And besides, there appears to be no rhyme or reason to the height at which either of them are set. It's all over the place. So if there's no standard (which leads me to assume that it's probably not some ADA requirement) then why not just make them all the same, some-what lowered height?
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I think a man should be in touch with his feelings. But the notion of the truly "sensitive man" has largely been rejected by most women, despite it still being listed earnestly by some women as a desirable trait. In fact, I think -most- women tend to lose respect for a man who wears his heart on his sleeve all the time.
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The gist of my observation is, why not just make them ALL low since we pee down anyway. I don't see that there is any more or less comfort from peeing into one that's higher, and therefore no reason to make ONE that is lower than the rest. Actually, a week or so ago I was in a restroom where all the urinals were about the height of the lowered one you see in most restrooms... and they STILL had one even lower, maybe a foot off the floor.
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they started getting hung higher on the wall to reduce the floor splatter which can make the tile in a bathroom treacherous
You just answered your own question. This was what I meant by the euphemism of "the comfort" of standing people - the comfort of not having the cuffs of your jeans soaked in urine.
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And besides, there appears to be no rhyme or reason to the height at which either of them are set. It's all over the place. So if there's no standard (which leads me to assume that it's probably not some ADA requirement) then why not just make them all the same, some-what lowered height?
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