Comments | sour_idealist: This is for Kairi, and for Ariadne, and for Katniss, and for Baby Doll, and for Bella, and for...

sour_idealist

This is for Kairi, and for Ariadne, and for Katniss, and for Baby Doll, and for Bella, and for...

May 16, 2011 17:08

This shows up all over the place, it has been the basis for attacking so many fictional ladies I love and plenty of whom I am not fond but am increasingly tempted to like out of spite, it has shown up in almost every fandom I've been in and plenty that I've unsuccessfully tried to avoid - I am out of subject line space, you guys, and I didn't even ( Read more... )

grr, meta

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dropsofviolet May 16 2011, 21:23:38 UTC

Preach it, sister, preach it.

sour_idealist May 16 2011, 21:32:37 UTC

Thank you.

evewithanapple May 16 2011, 21:31:20 UTC

< Morbo > FEMINISM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! < /MORBO >

sour_idealist May 16 2011, 21:33:26 UTC

YES THAT.

madcap_shiny May 16 2011, 22:18:23 UTC

lololol I can already tell from the title that this article is going to be a work in Fauxminism 101. Those "floozies" who need "some sense knocked into them?" Because language like that certainly hasn't been used to diminish and discredit and abuse women at all for years and years.

sour_idealist May 16 2011, 23:01:07 UTC

Oooh yeah. Then once we get past that, we will:

- Mock Amber for wearing a hat (WTF? Most army uniforms have hats)
- Suggest that it's only justice and lighthearted comedy to rape the rapists
- "Slap the lollipop out of Amber's mouth." No, really. Slap the lollipop out of Amber's mouth.
- Tell Sweet Pea off for having a girly name
- Explain to Blondie that she's not allowed to have that name
- Explain that irony is Not Allowed - no, really, no time to be humorous or ironic or anything, you have to be shooting constantly apparently- Have Hanna shoot Baby Doll of the "sexy dance and vacant stare" because don't you know you aren't aloud to look lost for even a few seconds after being repeatedly traumatized! And the sexy dance that doesn't even appear onscreen is totes more important than the hours of blowing shit up and huge reserves of emotional fortitude and determination and the sense of self so strong that she allows nothing whatsoever to take it away and her complete refusal to let anyone take control away from her ( ... )

madcap_shiny May 16 2011, 23:37:32 UTC

I want to frame this comment and hang it on my wall. TEARING DOWN GIRLS TO BUILD YOUR OWN FAVORITES UP =/= BEING PRO-GIRL.

sour_idealist May 16 2011, 23:44:51 UTC

YES YES THANK YOU YES. I left a comment over there to this effect; I doubt it'll get a response.

1st_eggokage May 17 2011, 02:06:25 UTC

ALL OF THIS ALL OF THIS DEAR MARGINALIZED FICTIONAL LADIES COME TO MY ARMS AND I WILL LOVE YOU.

it's not mal and ariadne's fault they weren't given enough characterization or screentime, it's christopher nolan's. it's not baby doll &co.'s fault their film is problematic in some respects, it's zack snyder's. it's not bella's fault she's bland and cookie-cutter and comes from a terrible book, it's stephenie meyer's. FEMINISM DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT. LEAVE THEM ALONE. >:(

sour_idealist May 17 2011, 02:19:19 UTC

PRETTY MUCH YEAH. But somehow we always blame the ladies.

(I actually think Ariadne wasn't treated too badly - except for, y'know, Arthur never getting called out for that BS with the kiss - but EVERY OTHER NOLAN LADY EVER, ugh. And in retrospect, most of what she got was Ellen Page.)

1st_eggokage May 17 2011, 02:50:40 UTC

lol i love the kiss ngl. HER FACE. IT IS PART "OH YOU SNEAKY FUCK" AND PART "WAIT HANG ON DO THAT AGAIN."

also em do not even get me fucking started on square enix fandom DO NOT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE HATE FOR KAIRI AND NAMINE AND LARXENE AND TIFA AND AERITH AND YUFFIE AND RINOA AND SELPHIE AND QUISTIS AND ASHE AND PENELO AND BASICALLY IF YOU ARE A GIRL IN A FINAL FANTASY GAME SOMEONE OUT THERE HATES YOU. /claws at walls

sour_idealist May 17 2011, 03:12:00 UTC

Her face, yeah, but... I don't know, they two of them gave off kind of a mentor/student vibe to me anyway, so to have him then trick her into kissing him via his greater knowledge about the dreamworld basically hit all my OKAY ASSHOLE MOVE THERE BUDDY and OKAY KINDA SKEEVY THERE buttons at once.

augh augh augh I do not even have words, Square Enix fandom as a whole... AUGH. (Guess what was my introduction to fandom, too?) And there are just so many awesome ladies out there, especially in FFXIII which GODDAMN NOBODY plays even though it is THE BEST...

Kairi was really the originator of my YOU HATE HER FINE SHE IS NOW MY FAVORITE complex, though.