Star Trek: Voyager? More Like Bar Dreck: Dowager!

Jun 07, 2016 09:04

For some reason Star Trek: Voyager does not have the same fandom popularity as Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Could it possibly be because it has the first female captain? Or that has a large focus on female characters? Or that it has the most diverse cast? WHO KNOWS, because it's certainly not because it sucks. In ( Read more... )

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scifantasy June 7 2016, 22:25:24 UTC
and I know my opinion is biased by having seen a very abridged version

Especially of the first three seasons. I won't argue whether the show turned good later (I take no opinion on that, for the moment), but you skipped a massive chunk of deadweight, including what is considered the single worst episode of any Star Trek show to ever air...it may well be that by the time the show started complexifying, a lot of people had given up.

And frankly, there's a reason you didn't watch most of Season 7. (You didn't even see Tom and B'Elanna's marriage episode.)

(OK, I take some opinion on the later seasons' quality. Hell, TNG Season 7 was a mixed bag at best too.)

So yeah, there were some really good episodes...but average them out with a lot of crap and filler and you'll get a show it's harder to like ( ... )

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spectralbovine June 8 2016, 00:15:35 UTC
what is considered the single worst episode of any Star Trek show to ever air
Is "Threshold" really worse than "Spock's Brain"?

So yeah, there were some really good episodes...but average them out with a lot of crap and filler and you'll get a show it's harder to like.
But is that really so different from TOS and TNG, though? I was discussing this with Seanan and she made a good point about the passes we give TOS for being the original and TNG for being basically the NEW original.

So if people were turned off by the fanservice nature of the character design (a la people complaining about Counselor Troi's cleavage uniform, which they finally changed), and ended up missing the interesting storytelling, whose fault was it? The watchers for not engaging with a demeaning character design, or the writers/character designers for creating a character who screamed "sex appeal" and looked like ratings-boost casting, and keeping her in that outfit?
I blame the writers more but I think it's unfortunate either way!

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scifantasy June 8 2016, 01:21:01 UTC
Is "Threshold" really worse than "Spock's Brain"?

Funny thing, just today kradical did a semistirring defense of "Spock's Brain.".

But is that really so different from TOS and TNG, though?

It's not wrong to give TOS and TNG those passes. TOS: yes, it's the original, and the product of its times--a lot of it really doesn't hold up, but at the time, it did, much better, and the things it was saying were stronger. TNG: yes, the new original, and it suffered (as Patrick Stewart said in one of the Blu-Ray interviews) from being sci-fi, a sequel, and in syndication, in the mid-80s.

But by the time you get to Voyager, there has been Star Trek on TV consistently for a decade. It's not wrong to expect more.

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percysowner June 8 2016, 20:15:25 UTC
I was one of the people who did not stick around long enough for the show to get good. Threshold pretty much the last straw. At the time I had a 4 year old child and was working full time and I didn't have time to watch a show that was putting out what Voyager did the first season. It killed the Star Trek franchise for me. I've heard it got better after 7 of 9 came aboard. I also admit that the blatant use of sex appeal (i.e. the cat suit) just turned me off.

I'm glad you are enjoying the show spectralbovine, from what I know it does get better so you should continue to enjoy it.

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livingdream25 June 8 2016, 21:43:45 UTC
Looking at your list, it looks like you averaged watching only a little more than 6 episodes a season for a show that had 26-episode seasons as a rule. And since you only watched the best episodes, I can see why it might be confusing why Voyager had such a divisive reputation ( ... )

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spectralbovine June 8 2016, 22:45:52 UTC
Thank you for the context! I am definitely getting a better idea of why people who actually watched (or tried to watch) the show as it was airing weren't as enamored of the show as I was.

One is the fact that Voyager seemed to set up this great premise, lone starship stranded across the galaxy without resources manned by two crews at conflict thrown together, and then proceeded to basically ignore it for its entire run. The Maquis were in Starfleet uniforms by the end of the pilot, and the ship seemed to operate just fine most of the time, always producing new weapons and shuttles whenever needed.

They made token nods at this stuff, but mostly treated the ship as it was just another Starfleet crew out on an extended mission exploring the galaxy. Waste of a premise.
This is totally fair, especially the fact that they seemed to always have enough resources. And they definitely could have done more with the Maquis vs. Starfleet conflict.

Another issue would be the static nature of the characters, with the exception of the Doctor and ( ... )

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