I miss Buffy

[spikesjojo]

I miss Buffy. I miss the whole finding the B-verse and finding fanfic and finding people to rec fics to, and getting recs, and the Buffy community where small things led to long discussions and I have Buffy thoughts. I was playing on the Buffy Board for a while, and I might go back, but it's not as much fun. The mods said that people were leaving

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[ericadawn16]

Wasn't the First 1st appearance in Amends?

And considering the 3rd season is also when they first started dropping hints about Dawn and such...why should someone assume nothing happened between 1st and 2nd appearance?

[spikesjojo]

Yeah, the First did appear the first time in Amends, but i was thinking about season 7 as the group grew more fractured and everyone - okay, lot's of people I've run into recently - blame everything on Spike.

Do you think the First was playing them all along - that's kind of an interesting idea. The First could be the reason behind so much craziness - but I'm not sure where it would fit in with Glory.

Maggie Walsh - though i have to say i never believed this was a govt program that went off the rails. Maggie was just a dead body to blame it on - she sure as hell got funding and support. The First could have affected Adam, and been the source of the mayor's quest for power (pre-dating season 1).

I always wondered why the First would go from tormenting one person - manpire - to attempting to take over the entire world. It seems like a rather huge jump, although with your idea (if I am interpreting correctly) then the point of Amends would be to find a way to kill off Buffy because she was the one thing that kept thwarting it.

[ericadawn16]

In this world, there isn't an actual "God" even though there are Heaven and Hell as portals/alternate worlds so to me it always felt like...

The entire universe was controlled by The Powers That Be on one end of the spectrum, The First on the other end and in between are their intermediaries: Wolfram & Hart, the Slayers.

I think Glory could have been an in between that the First decided to let Buffy deal with...if Glory dies, good. If Glory kills Buffy, good. Win win for everyone and they'll deal with any consequences later.

Spike doesn't get a lot of credit. Obviously, the rape thing is bad but...

Angel had goodness forced upon him.

Spike made a deliberate decision to be good, which like Connor's birth, wasn't supposed to even be possible for a vampire.

[ericadawn16]

Okay, I forgot about the chipped thing but there were good choices before that happened and he still decided after the chip stopped working to go after his soul in Africa.

[rahirah]

If you'd be willing to unlock this post, I'd love to link it on the Herald...

[spikesjojo]

It is unlocked and ready to roll! Thanks!

[jesterlady]

Buffy is/was a powerful fandom, no doubt! I remember the feeling well.

[spikesjojo]

Yeah - it's a powerful show. I haven't even bothered to check out the fandoms of the other shows I like. I wanna know if Darryl lives, but I don't want to speculate on a WD board.

[enigmaticblues]

I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I do remember the moment when I knew that the BtVS/Ats fandom was home. Someone had reached out for help, and the response was overwhelmingly positive. I've been involved in a lot of fandoms since, and I've never found one as supportive and welcoming as the BTVS/ATS fandom.

And yes, I would agree. I always thought that Xander's response to Buffy and Riley's leaving Buffy in S5 said more about his own desires than anything else.

I would actually welcome the idea that the First was messing with people's heads in S7, because it would make a lot of sense.

[spikesjojo]

I was in fandom way back in the ST-TOS days. Hell, we invented fandom, and slash, and conventions, and all sort of other stuff that has been commercialized to the point of insanity - sorry, i was weaned on fan run conventions

[ericadawn16]

*coughs* Like Pietro and Wanda in Avengers: Age of Ultron *coughs*

[ericadawn16]

Yes, Pietro and Wanda were part of an experiment where conveniently everyone else died horrible deaths...except them.