Botting / Cheating

[sstellar]

Botting / Cheating

A thread recently written on the bluegartr forums made me realize how much the consensus has changed regarding cheating and to my dismay, how accepted cheating has become. The thread can be found here.

In the past, I've never really approached the subject with my true personal feelings about it, having played some devils advocate

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[x_vivify]

I'm reading the BG thread now, and it amazes me too how accepted cheating has become. Almost as if you're retarded to play the game without bots.

"I went like 3 months without a PL bot or GM tool for flowing, and wanted to rip my hair out everytime I logged on."

"people sit and craft 50+ items in a single sitting? I got stuff I gotta do, I cant be sitting around putting stuff in a crystal all day."

"There are easy enough to find alternatives for claiming and fishing, but wizbot has onevent, ja0wait, and a decent PL bot. Honestly, if $20 is a huge deal to anyone, they probably shouldn't be wasting so much time on FFXI anyway."

"I had JUST finished convincing my LS that I was capable of hasting/refreshing an entire PT whilst curing an entire alliance whilst DD'ing on my main whilst assisting mobs whilst sipping on some sizzerp"

"I admit I was ashamed and a little scared when Taj posted the App user list and I was on there, but those days are long gone."

[sstellar]

Yeah, this is why typically I avoid posting much on BG. I have been a registered member since 2005 and have fewer posts than most of the regulars registered in 2009

[sstellar]

I suppose I might as well follow up on that with something else I've rarely spoken about; Selling my account

[x_vivify]

Thanks for sharing. :o

[sstellar]

I suppose we can at least form a community of those who have higher standards for what is acceptable and perhaps our minority could grow by voicing our opinions on widely viewed medium like this. No I don't feel I am above or better than someone who claims that botting is smart and efficient. I just wish they would keep that opinion to themselves, considering the impact that stating it can (and obviously has) have.

Like I said, I don't really care if someone bots. I do care if they feel it is okay to do so and are willing and likely to share that opinion somewhere that can have an impact on those yet to make a decision, or easily swayed.

Their "success" or efficiency in game really has little affect on me and the majority, but their attitude and claims do. By satisfying their ego and guilt by justifying their cheating as acceptable, and doing so via widely viewed medium, they are doing everyone in the game a disservice. This is what bothers me.

Re: Air Jordans

[sstellar]

lmao

[fockr]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91658&page=7

Can't post a reply without these fucking niggers getting worked up, only to be shut the fuck up, eh?

BG getting softer than fucking ever.

[sstellar]

Lmao. One of the justifications for the hypocrisy you pointed out was "not everyone has x amount of gil".

Why even have a thread about gimp players if the primary factor, money (lack thereof) can be used for justification in the scenario of the loser who's so concerned with other people's gear in the first place..

BG is a fucking joke. I want to make a forum where fucking hypocritical, contradictive assholes are ganged up on by no one. Cuz we don't need it.

[sstellar]

Oh, but we can ban them and make the standards for coolness creativity and creating personal challenge that not all will find impressive, but respect that you found it such..

I'm such a dreamer..

[sstellar]

Comma or apostrophe after coolness. I suck at punctuation and it made that sentance confusing. The standards for coolness would be - One who thinks creatively and one who has fun in their endeavors while not affecting others negatively. Ultra-cool = having fun, feeling accomplished, practicing creativity, AND positively affecting others while doing such.

Wrath seems so common and for me it's difficult to grasp. I honestly like it when people feel good and are happy. I'm not quite sure what would make one wish for anything else. Perhaps self loathing or feelings of inadequacy cause individuals to seek comfort through numbers. By reducing the majority's opinion of someone else, maybe they feel those being judged are of similar value to themselves, providing one method of attaining comfort.. Hmm.. I think bout shit too much, eh?

[fockr]

I haven't read this post yet. What's it about? Wiz or cheating in general?

[sstellar]

It's a list of people who paid money (real money! Lol) for a way to make the game easier by purchasing a bot that does things for them, including claiming HNM.

Since claiming HNM by using illicit tactics still carries the remnants of a negative stigma, all of those forum regulars are justifying their purchase with claims about the value of the programs other functions. I don't know exactly what it does, but the hypocrisy and such contained in the thread is definitely comical.

[fockr]

Wait, I use wiz.

Does that make me any less of a player because I wanna climb the Hagun mountain in 12 seconds as opposed to 20 minutes?

It has claim tool, as well as everything else you can think of. Whether it's good or not, IDK. I don't use it. I don't even camp HNMs.

I think the package for 10 people was somewhere around 175 dollars. Chump change when you think about it.

[sstellar]

Imo, yeah. It does. It makes the game easier. Accomplishments are not as valuable when the game is easier. Is someone less of a player who conquers guitar hero on easy, vs. someone who conquers on highest difficulty? Yeah.

Does it bother me in the slightest bit? No. Until you start acting like your money was well spent and start trying to pursue those inclined to listen that the game is better because you spent money in that fashion. I'll tell ya right now that it's not. Accomplishment comes with a specific feeling, directly impacted by the difficulty of the accomplishment. You're not doing yourself any kinda of favors. I realize the game's reciprocity is and has been mundane, but feelings of accomplishment and satisfaction continue to vary due to mentioned factors.