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[starlingthefool]

Damn you, Facebook.

So my ex, whom I'm still friendly with, posted up an article calling out Dan Savage's It Gets Better campaign for being myopic and more than a little handwavey when it comes to race politics

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[jibrailis]

I feel exactly the same way about Dan Savage, and I am completely on your train here. It sucks so much, though, that you are in that situation, arguing with potential allies who just don't get it -- fuck indeed. Just, fuck times a million. :(

[mrsdrjackson]

*sends you tea with whiskey*

Your FB analogy is strangely accurate

[tellthemyes]

Arguments with allies are always somehow worse than arguments with the regular ignorant folk. It's the usual "OMFG seriously, how do you believe that?!", but with an added dose of intense disappointment and sense of lost safe space.

Which is to say: I'm sorry, that sucks.

[triedunture]

I happen to like Savage, but that's not the point. The point is it sounds like your argument has gone from a friendly parrying of wits to something that's really stressing you out. Internet-fights like this, that turn into shouting matches are proooooobably not going to change anyone's mind, I think? I'm all for standing up for what you believe in, but there are times when two people with different points of view and different backgrounds can both hold completely disparate yet valid ideas.

Do you like this friend more than you like being right?

[briseur]

Yeah, liberals. Necessary for getting anything done in coalition, but oy! I think the best we can do is attempt to have conversations about privilege, until they begin to get that they have some and that it might be worth subverting.
Although now that I put it that way, I think: I've had to go through precisely that kind of awakening, so perchance I could use to cultivate some patience about others' process.
Impatience feels the much more attractive path just now, though.