What is a skank?
Today I was looking through some old files and found some old conversations with my friends. You see, I occasionally I save my IM conversations for later persual so I read through a couple of them and they went a long way to cheering me up.
Here's one of my favorites from 9/2002
StatAtDovah (10:18:43 PM): How was skanking in boston?
HardCandy419 (10:19:08 PM): I didn't go skanking, I went dancing
HardCandy419 (10:19:21 PM): Contrary to popular belief, there is a difference
StatAtDovah (10:19:25 PM): oh?
StatAtDovah (10:19:30 PM): elaborate
HardCandy419 (10:20:13 PM): Dancing involves going to a dance club with friends, usually girls, and dancing mostly with the girls that you go with
HardCandy419 (10:20:42 PM): Ocassionally an over zealous male will interupt the circle and try to hump your leg, but if he doesn't dance well, I don't bother
HardCandy419 (10:21:10 PM): if he does dance well, I will dance perhaps one song with him, on the outskirts of said circle before rejoining my friends
HardCandy419 (10:21:39 PM): This particular evening, I danced with one man who I did not know, and 2 that I was friends with. And of course with the girls
HardCandy419 (10:22:14 PM): So where as the boys go skanking for girls and beer, I go dancing mostly because I like to dance, and a little because I like to get dressed up
HardCandy419 (10:22:36 PM): And I do not invite Mike because the boy cannot dance, and frankly, he can hump my leg at home
StatAtDovah (10:23:32 PM): You do not need to explain your relationship with mike to me
HardCandy419 (10:23:43 PM): Oh I know! I was just elaborating for you
StatAtDovah (10:23:51 PM): I was just asking about the difference
HardCandy419 (10:24:16 PM): Was I clear enough?
StatAtDovah (10:24:33 PM): Of dancing? yes
HardCandy419 (10:24:41 PM): of the difference
StatAtDovah (10:25:05 PM): I would like a bit of a clearer insight into your definition of "skanking".
HardCandy419 (10:26:19 PM): Well, I have no personal experience or first hand knowledge. But from what I can deduce, it involves drinking excessive amounts of beer and hopping from one frat house to another in an attempt to get as many girls as possible to dry hump you.
StatAtDovah (10:27:03 PM): I see
HardCandy419 (10:27:08 PM): I believe it is considered a spectator sport as well
HardCandy419 (10:27:20 PM): and includes plays such as the "cock block"
StatAtDovah (10:27:22 PM): So from the male perspective then, there is no difference
StatAtDovah (10:27:32 PM): aside from venue
HardCandy419 (10:27:49 PM): Dancing and dry humping are very different things
HardCandy419 (10:28:00 PM): Correction, dancing and dry humping CAN be very different things
HardCandy419 (10:28:20 PM): I know few boys who know the difference, but there are some out there
StatAtDovah (10:28:34 PM): You said yourself, "Ocassionally an over zealous male will interupt the circle and try to hump your leg"
HardCandy419 (10:28:59 PM): But where as that is the object of skanking, it is not the object of dancing
StatAtDovah (10:29:10 PM): I beg to differ
HardCandy419 (10:29:16 PM): For example, you cannot consider cooking and throwing things the same thing
StatAtDovah (10:29:29 PM): I believe for the male perspective, it is the same thing
HardCandy419 (10:29:32 PM): However occasionally when cooking, you might accidently throw something
StatAtDovah (10:29:46 PM): Guys don't go to clubs to "dance"
StatAtDovah (10:29:56 PM): Some do
StatAtDovah (10:30:03 PM): They are called, "gay"
HardCandy419 (10:30:12 PM): Gay men are good to dance with :-)
HardCandy419 (10:30:39 PM): The point I was making is that I could not be accused of skanking, when that was not the object of my evening
HardCandy419 (10:31:14 PM): The object of my evening was to dance, and the difference was made clear. This is a discussion of motive and perspective.
StatAtDovah (10:31:31 PM): And my point is, that from my perspective, you were participating in a ritual that I observe as classified as "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:32:14 PM): You might consider it dancing. I'm sure there are girls who go to frats to "dance" as well
HardCandy419 (10:35:24 PM): I find the term offensive for a few reasons. First, I am not a skank. In or outside of a dance club or a frat house. Secondly, I rarely dance with men I don't know and when I do, I do not dance with them if they do not understand the difference between dancing and dry humping. There are straight men at dance clubs who dance, and with rhythm too. You might not believe that these men exist, because you have never encountered one, or are not one, but just because you have not encountered it does not make it untrue
HardCandy419 (10:36:03 PM): Now I am not saying that going to dance clubs is excetionally virtuous, but it is a high step up from skanking with the boys, if not soley because of the motive.
StatAtDovah (10:36:33 PM): Now now, do not turn this into a sweeping condemnation of my obvious homophobia
StatAtDovah (10:37:12 PM): You basically said yourself that "Skanking" is a male activity
HardCandy419 (10:37:15 PM): I was not mentioning your homophobia, though it is an express bias on this discussion.
HardCandy419 (10:37:35 PM): I believe that women can participate in skanking, and I know a few who do. I, however, do not
StatAtDovah (10:38:25 PM): I do not think it has anything to do with this discussion. I think the more pressing matter is one of gender perspective
HardCandy419 (10:38:58 PM): I believe it is a matter of motive
StatAtDovah (10:39:11 PM): Exactly!
HardCandy419 (10:39:40 PM): There are women who go to frats, correction: many women who go to frats, and to dance clubs who I would consider to go "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:39:52 PM): And, forgive the obvious masogony here, but the act of skanking but be defined from the male perspective.
HardCandy419 (10:39:55 PM): But the term must include the motive behind it
HardCandy419 (10:40:04 PM): I disagree
StatAtDovah (10:40:05 PM): and the male motive
HardCandy419 (10:40:26 PM): There are many women who seek out frats because there will be men there with whom to dry hump
HardCandy419 (10:40:45 PM): I am not a member of this group, but they exist in high numbers
StatAtDovah (10:40:58 PM): They don't go out skanking then.
HardCandy419 (10:41:06 PM): how so?
StatAtDovah (10:41:06 PM): They are going out to be skanked
StatAtDovah (10:41:11 PM): as it were
HardCandy419 (10:41:35 PM): I would accept taht
HardCandy419 (10:41:37 PM): that
HardCandy419 (10:41:46 PM): but the passive tense there is too strong
StatAtDovah (10:41:56 PM): I disagree
HardCandy419 (10:41:57 PM): I feel that there are women who actively participate in this
HardCandy419 (10:42:11 PM): Women dress, or rather undress. They do their hair and makeup
HardCandy419 (10:42:13 PM): They dance
StatAtDovah (10:42:26 PM): How is that different from your "dancing"
StatAtDovah (10:42:37 PM): just by what you've said there
HardCandy419 (10:42:43 PM): They play an active and often times very aware position in this skanking
HardCandy419 (10:42:47 PM): again, it is the motive
HardCandy419 (10:43:00 PM): I used the term "dance" there too loosly
StatAtDovah (10:43:08 PM): So therefore
StatAtDovah (10:43:34 PM): It is the motive of the woman that determines whether or not "skanking" it taking place
StatAtDovah (10:43:58 PM): by your rationelle
StatAtDovah (10:44:03 PM): (sp?)
HardCandy419 (10:44:25 PM): I believe that either the man or the woman can be participating in "skanking" However, it is very rare that the woman, and not the man is the willing participant
HardCandy419 (10:44:37 PM): I believe that a woman can be "skanked" without going "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:44:39 PM): See, there's the problem
HardCandy419 (10:44:49 PM): How so?
StatAtDovah (10:45:07 PM): Firstly I never accused you of going "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:45:21 PM): I simply asked how the skanking went
HardCandy419 (10:45:27 PM): StatAtDovah (10:18:45 PM): How was skanking in boston?
HardCandy419 (10:45:49 PM): Which by its suggestion, included me in the willing participation of the skanking
StatAtDovah (10:45:54 PM): Not at all
StatAtDovah (10:46:00 PM): quite the contrary
HardCandy419 (10:46:11 PM): If you had said "How was being skanked?" it woul have been more accurate
HardCandy419 (10:46:19 PM): Though, I was not skanked at all that evening
StatAtDovah (10:46:22 PM): But not as converstional
StatAtDovah (10:46:36 PM): conversational
HardCandy419 (10:46:48 PM): I agree
StatAtDovah (10:46:49 PM): Because it would have been in passive voice
HardCandy419 (10:47:07 PM): Yes, but a more accurated portrayal of what you considered to be occuring
StatAtDovah (10:47:28 PM): Granted, but then we would not have had this lovley discussion
HardCandy419 (10:47:38 PM): Had you said that, I would not have become defensive, it would not have suggested to me that you were considering me a willing participant in the "skanking"
HardCandy419 (10:47:52 PM): You are absolutely correct. I am so very glad we did
StatAtDovah (10:48:05 PM): I don't think you were a willing participant, so to speak
HardCandy419 (10:48:24 PM): Well thank you
HardCandy419 (10:48:31 PM): Or at least an active one
StatAtDovah (10:48:40 PM): In terms that you were activlell looking to hook up
StatAtDovah (10:48:46 PM): exactly
StatAtDovah (10:49:18 PM): you were however a willing, passive, particpant in an envrioment where many males go to "Skank"
HardCandy419 (10:49:27 PM): Well thank you. At least you have some respect and belief in the shred of more fiber that I have
StatAtDovah (10:49:29 PM): Hense, skanking
HardCandy419 (10:49:55 PM): Yes, I will accept that I was in that environment, though not for that purpose.
StatAtDovah (10:50:23 PM): Not skanking because of your motive, but rather the constant underliing motive of a vast majority of the males there
HardCandy419 (10:51:17 PM): But I do not conceed that I was skanking. I agree that I was at a place where skanking was taking place, but I was not participating in that skanking
StatAtDovah (10:52:14 PM): Ok let me try this
StatAtDovah (10:52:31 PM): WHat would you have had to do differently to be "skanking" as you see it?
HardCandy419 (10:53:07 PM): I would have to go to a club or a frat for the purpose of hooking up with someone
StatAtDovah (10:53:32 PM): Does it matter if you succeed?
HardCandy419 (10:53:37 PM): No
HardCandy419 (10:53:51 PM): It is merely the motive
StatAtDovah (10:53:58 PM): Of the female.
HardCandy419 (10:54:09 PM): Or the male
StatAtDovah (10:54:11 PM): Ergo, from the male perspective its all the same
HardCandy419 (10:54:34 PM): I could not go skanking with out going for the purpose of hooking up with someone
HardCandy419 (10:54:48 PM): I could be skanked without that
HardCandy419 (10:55:14 PM): or I could be in a place where skanking was occuring, but I could not be skanking without that motive
StatAtDovah (10:55:17 PM): And I sumbit that 99% of guys could not go out skanking without the purpose of hooking up with someone
HardCandy419 (10:55:36 PM): I agree
StatAtDovah (10:55:40 PM): And I sumbit that 99% of guys could not go out dancing without the purpose of hooking up with someone
HardCandy419 (10:55:52 PM): I do not disagree with that either
StatAtDovah (10:56:21 PM): Because from the male perpective, the two are not seperate activities
StatAtDovah (10:56:32 PM): One goes dancing in order to skank
HardCandy419 (10:56:57 PM): For the vast majority, yes.
StatAtDovah (10:56:58 PM): the act of dancing facilitates the skanking
HardCandy419 (10:57:16 PM): However, because I am not a man, I do not fall prey to this argument
HardCandy419 (10:57:26 PM): I can go dancing without skanking.
HardCandy419 (10:57:27 PM): And do
StatAtDovah (10:57:45 PM): But however you do have full knoweldge of the male perspective
StatAtDovah (10:58:18 PM): and by that knowedge you give tacit agreement and approval of that practice
HardCandy419 (10:59:01 PM): I do have full knowledge of it. It would be impossible not to. However, Dancing involves going to a dance club with friends, usually girls, and dancing mostly with the girls that you go with
HardCandy419 (10:20:44 PM): Ocassionally an over zealous male will interupt the circle and try to hump your leg, but if he doesn't dance well, I don't bother
HardCandy419 (10:21:11 PM): if he does dance well, I will dance perhaps one song with him, on the outskirts of said circle before rejoining my friends
StatAtDovah (10:59:29 PM): From the female perpective
HardCandy419 (10:59:51 PM): If I were to continuously engage in the dry humping dancing of the men who do not know how to dance, I would be participating. But I don't.
StatAtDovah (11:00:16 PM): From my perspective, yes you were indeed dancing. But you were also a part of a wider ritual of "skanking"
HardCandy419 (11:00:16 PM): It has to be from the female perspective, because the term skanking is so hingent upon the motive of the persons involved
StatAtDovah (11:00:41 PM): weather or not you happend to be a subject of that ritual is largely irrelivant
HardCandy419 (11:01:09 PM): I was part of the wider ritual, but I was not personally "skanking" in the same way that a person can be in the wider of ritual of say, being an american with out speaking english, being patriotic, or even being a citizen
StatAtDovah (11:02:01 PM): SO therefore I can say how was america, in much the same manner as I can say how was skanking
StatAtDovah (11:02:56 PM): An be just as non-offensive
StatAtDovah (11:04:03 PM): because by iquiring into the effect of participating in a social ritual on an individual, I am not implying wholesale agreement or acceptance of said ritual.
HardCandy419 (11:04:06 PM): no, because it could be just as offensive if you are not an american to be called an american as if you are called a skant and not one
HardCandy419 (11:04:14 PM): :-)
StatAtDovah (11:04:19 PM): I did not call you a skank
HardCandy419 (11:04:21 PM): I love you DJ
StatAtDovah (11:04:24 PM): or an american
HardCandy419 (11:04:31 PM): But it was implyed when you asked how skanking was
StatAtDovah (11:04:35 PM): Not at all
StatAtDovah (11:04:44 PM): Skanking is a socal ritual
HardCandy419 (11:04:59 PM): with a negative connotation for the female involved
StatAtDovah (11:05:07 PM): Granted.
StatAtDovah (11:05:42 PM): Can we both be lawyers in a trial some day?
StatAtDovah (11:05:45 PM): please?
HardCandy419 (11:05:56 PM): and so when you asked how skanking was, with it came the negative connotation that because I am female, and involved with skanking, I am in fact a skank.
StatAtDovah (11:05:57 PM): Like it doesn't even have to be a real one
HardCandy419 (11:06:01 PM): :-) Sure
StatAtDovah (11:06:15 PM): See? there's the flaw in your arguement!
StatAtDovah (11:06:21 PM): You just said yourself!
HardCandy419 (11:06:47 PM): Fine, you win
StatAtDovah (11:06:47 PM): in the same way that a person can be in the wider of ritual of say, being an american with out speaking english, being patriotic, or even being a citizen
HardCandy419 (11:07:03 PM): I have 3 papers and a presentation to prepare for for tomorrow
HardCandy419 (11:07:08 PM): I really, really , really have to go
HardCandy419 (11:07:11 PM): Like an hour ago
HardCandy419 (11:07:14 PM): :-)
StatAtDovah (11:07:20 PM): Skanking doesn't equal....
StatAtDovah (11:07:21 PM): fine
StatAtDovah (11:07:26 PM): ::sigh::
StatAtDovah (11:07:29 PM): At least I win
HardCandy419 (11:07:32 PM): :-) Sure
StatAtDovah (11:07:37 PM): :-)
HardCandy419 (11:07:41 PM): :-) But only because I gave up
StatAtDovah (11:07:48 PM): That's fine. I still win
HardCandy419 (11:07:49 PM): Remember that ;-)
StatAtDovah (11:08:07 PM): Go do your work
StatAtDovah (11:08:13 PM): skank
StatAtDovah (11:08:44 PM): ;-)
HardCandy419 (11:08:47 PM): Fuck you! :-)
HardCandy419 (11:09:00 PM): love you DJ. Thanks for the arguement
StatAtDovah (11:09:06 PM): Anytime hon
I love having random meaningless intelligent debates with my best friends.
Well, I'm off to beatstock for tonight, then I have to come home and finish my poetry assignment for the week. See you all later.
Here's one of my favorites from 9/2002
StatAtDovah (10:18:43 PM): How was skanking in boston?
HardCandy419 (10:19:08 PM): I didn't go skanking, I went dancing
HardCandy419 (10:19:21 PM): Contrary to popular belief, there is a difference
StatAtDovah (10:19:25 PM): oh?
StatAtDovah (10:19:30 PM): elaborate
HardCandy419 (10:20:13 PM): Dancing involves going to a dance club with friends, usually girls, and dancing mostly with the girls that you go with
HardCandy419 (10:20:42 PM): Ocassionally an over zealous male will interupt the circle and try to hump your leg, but if he doesn't dance well, I don't bother
HardCandy419 (10:21:10 PM): if he does dance well, I will dance perhaps one song with him, on the outskirts of said circle before rejoining my friends
HardCandy419 (10:21:39 PM): This particular evening, I danced with one man who I did not know, and 2 that I was friends with. And of course with the girls
HardCandy419 (10:22:14 PM): So where as the boys go skanking for girls and beer, I go dancing mostly because I like to dance, and a little because I like to get dressed up
HardCandy419 (10:22:36 PM): And I do not invite Mike because the boy cannot dance, and frankly, he can hump my leg at home
StatAtDovah (10:23:32 PM): You do not need to explain your relationship with mike to me
HardCandy419 (10:23:43 PM): Oh I know! I was just elaborating for you
StatAtDovah (10:23:51 PM): I was just asking about the difference
HardCandy419 (10:24:16 PM): Was I clear enough?
StatAtDovah (10:24:33 PM): Of dancing? yes
HardCandy419 (10:24:41 PM): of the difference
StatAtDovah (10:25:05 PM): I would like a bit of a clearer insight into your definition of "skanking".
HardCandy419 (10:26:19 PM): Well, I have no personal experience or first hand knowledge. But from what I can deduce, it involves drinking excessive amounts of beer and hopping from one frat house to another in an attempt to get as many girls as possible to dry hump you.
StatAtDovah (10:27:03 PM): I see
HardCandy419 (10:27:08 PM): I believe it is considered a spectator sport as well
HardCandy419 (10:27:20 PM): and includes plays such as the "cock block"
StatAtDovah (10:27:22 PM): So from the male perspective then, there is no difference
StatAtDovah (10:27:32 PM): aside from venue
HardCandy419 (10:27:49 PM): Dancing and dry humping are very different things
HardCandy419 (10:28:00 PM): Correction, dancing and dry humping CAN be very different things
HardCandy419 (10:28:20 PM): I know few boys who know the difference, but there are some out there
StatAtDovah (10:28:34 PM): You said yourself, "Ocassionally an over zealous male will interupt the circle and try to hump your leg"
HardCandy419 (10:28:59 PM): But where as that is the object of skanking, it is not the object of dancing
StatAtDovah (10:29:10 PM): I beg to differ
HardCandy419 (10:29:16 PM): For example, you cannot consider cooking and throwing things the same thing
StatAtDovah (10:29:29 PM): I believe for the male perspective, it is the same thing
HardCandy419 (10:29:32 PM): However occasionally when cooking, you might accidently throw something
StatAtDovah (10:29:46 PM): Guys don't go to clubs to "dance"
StatAtDovah (10:29:56 PM): Some do
StatAtDovah (10:30:03 PM): They are called, "gay"
HardCandy419 (10:30:12 PM): Gay men are good to dance with :-)
HardCandy419 (10:30:39 PM): The point I was making is that I could not be accused of skanking, when that was not the object of my evening
HardCandy419 (10:31:14 PM): The object of my evening was to dance, and the difference was made clear. This is a discussion of motive and perspective.
StatAtDovah (10:31:31 PM): And my point is, that from my perspective, you were participating in a ritual that I observe as classified as "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:32:14 PM): You might consider it dancing. I'm sure there are girls who go to frats to "dance" as well
HardCandy419 (10:35:24 PM): I find the term offensive for a few reasons. First, I am not a skank. In or outside of a dance club or a frat house. Secondly, I rarely dance with men I don't know and when I do, I do not dance with them if they do not understand the difference between dancing and dry humping. There are straight men at dance clubs who dance, and with rhythm too. You might not believe that these men exist, because you have never encountered one, or are not one, but just because you have not encountered it does not make it untrue
HardCandy419 (10:36:03 PM): Now I am not saying that going to dance clubs is excetionally virtuous, but it is a high step up from skanking with the boys, if not soley because of the motive.
StatAtDovah (10:36:33 PM): Now now, do not turn this into a sweeping condemnation of my obvious homophobia
StatAtDovah (10:37:12 PM): You basically said yourself that "Skanking" is a male activity
HardCandy419 (10:37:15 PM): I was not mentioning your homophobia, though it is an express bias on this discussion.
HardCandy419 (10:37:35 PM): I believe that women can participate in skanking, and I know a few who do. I, however, do not
StatAtDovah (10:38:25 PM): I do not think it has anything to do with this discussion. I think the more pressing matter is one of gender perspective
HardCandy419 (10:38:58 PM): I believe it is a matter of motive
StatAtDovah (10:39:11 PM): Exactly!
HardCandy419 (10:39:40 PM): There are women who go to frats, correction: many women who go to frats, and to dance clubs who I would consider to go "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:39:52 PM): And, forgive the obvious masogony here, but the act of skanking but be defined from the male perspective.
HardCandy419 (10:39:55 PM): But the term must include the motive behind it
HardCandy419 (10:40:04 PM): I disagree
StatAtDovah (10:40:05 PM): and the male motive
HardCandy419 (10:40:26 PM): There are many women who seek out frats because there will be men there with whom to dry hump
HardCandy419 (10:40:45 PM): I am not a member of this group, but they exist in high numbers
StatAtDovah (10:40:58 PM): They don't go out skanking then.
HardCandy419 (10:41:06 PM): how so?
StatAtDovah (10:41:06 PM): They are going out to be skanked
StatAtDovah (10:41:11 PM): as it were
HardCandy419 (10:41:35 PM): I would accept taht
HardCandy419 (10:41:37 PM): that
HardCandy419 (10:41:46 PM): but the passive tense there is too strong
StatAtDovah (10:41:56 PM): I disagree
HardCandy419 (10:41:57 PM): I feel that there are women who actively participate in this
HardCandy419 (10:42:11 PM): Women dress, or rather undress. They do their hair and makeup
HardCandy419 (10:42:13 PM): They dance
StatAtDovah (10:42:26 PM): How is that different from your "dancing"
StatAtDovah (10:42:37 PM): just by what you've said there
HardCandy419 (10:42:43 PM): They play an active and often times very aware position in this skanking
HardCandy419 (10:42:47 PM): again, it is the motive
HardCandy419 (10:43:00 PM): I used the term "dance" there too loosly
StatAtDovah (10:43:08 PM): So therefore
StatAtDovah (10:43:34 PM): It is the motive of the woman that determines whether or not "skanking" it taking place
StatAtDovah (10:43:58 PM): by your rationelle
StatAtDovah (10:44:03 PM): (sp?)
HardCandy419 (10:44:25 PM): I believe that either the man or the woman can be participating in "skanking" However, it is very rare that the woman, and not the man is the willing participant
HardCandy419 (10:44:37 PM): I believe that a woman can be "skanked" without going "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:44:39 PM): See, there's the problem
HardCandy419 (10:44:49 PM): How so?
StatAtDovah (10:45:07 PM): Firstly I never accused you of going "skanking"
StatAtDovah (10:45:21 PM): I simply asked how the skanking went
HardCandy419 (10:45:27 PM): StatAtDovah (10:18:45 PM): How was skanking in boston?
HardCandy419 (10:45:49 PM): Which by its suggestion, included me in the willing participation of the skanking
StatAtDovah (10:45:54 PM): Not at all
StatAtDovah (10:46:00 PM): quite the contrary
HardCandy419 (10:46:11 PM): If you had said "How was being skanked?" it woul have been more accurate
HardCandy419 (10:46:19 PM): Though, I was not skanked at all that evening
StatAtDovah (10:46:22 PM): But not as converstional
StatAtDovah (10:46:36 PM): conversational
HardCandy419 (10:46:48 PM): I agree
StatAtDovah (10:46:49 PM): Because it would have been in passive voice
HardCandy419 (10:47:07 PM): Yes, but a more accurated portrayal of what you considered to be occuring
StatAtDovah (10:47:28 PM): Granted, but then we would not have had this lovley discussion
HardCandy419 (10:47:38 PM): Had you said that, I would not have become defensive, it would not have suggested to me that you were considering me a willing participant in the "skanking"
HardCandy419 (10:47:52 PM): You are absolutely correct. I am so very glad we did
StatAtDovah (10:48:05 PM): I don't think you were a willing participant, so to speak
HardCandy419 (10:48:24 PM): Well thank you
HardCandy419 (10:48:31 PM): Or at least an active one
StatAtDovah (10:48:40 PM): In terms that you were activlell looking to hook up
StatAtDovah (10:48:46 PM): exactly
StatAtDovah (10:49:18 PM): you were however a willing, passive, particpant in an envrioment where many males go to "Skank"
HardCandy419 (10:49:27 PM): Well thank you. At least you have some respect and belief in the shred of more fiber that I have
StatAtDovah (10:49:29 PM): Hense, skanking
HardCandy419 (10:49:55 PM): Yes, I will accept that I was in that environment, though not for that purpose.
StatAtDovah (10:50:23 PM): Not skanking because of your motive, but rather the constant underliing motive of a vast majority of the males there
HardCandy419 (10:51:17 PM): But I do not conceed that I was skanking. I agree that I was at a place where skanking was taking place, but I was not participating in that skanking
StatAtDovah (10:52:14 PM): Ok let me try this
StatAtDovah (10:52:31 PM): WHat would you have had to do differently to be "skanking" as you see it?
HardCandy419 (10:53:07 PM): I would have to go to a club or a frat for the purpose of hooking up with someone
StatAtDovah (10:53:32 PM): Does it matter if you succeed?
HardCandy419 (10:53:37 PM): No
HardCandy419 (10:53:51 PM): It is merely the motive
StatAtDovah (10:53:58 PM): Of the female.
HardCandy419 (10:54:09 PM): Or the male
StatAtDovah (10:54:11 PM): Ergo, from the male perspective its all the same
HardCandy419 (10:54:34 PM): I could not go skanking with out going for the purpose of hooking up with someone
HardCandy419 (10:54:48 PM): I could be skanked without that
HardCandy419 (10:55:14 PM): or I could be in a place where skanking was occuring, but I could not be skanking without that motive
StatAtDovah (10:55:17 PM): And I sumbit that 99% of guys could not go out skanking without the purpose of hooking up with someone
HardCandy419 (10:55:36 PM): I agree
StatAtDovah (10:55:40 PM): And I sumbit that 99% of guys could not go out dancing without the purpose of hooking up with someone
HardCandy419 (10:55:52 PM): I do not disagree with that either
StatAtDovah (10:56:21 PM): Because from the male perpective, the two are not seperate activities
StatAtDovah (10:56:32 PM): One goes dancing in order to skank
HardCandy419 (10:56:57 PM): For the vast majority, yes.
StatAtDovah (10:56:58 PM): the act of dancing facilitates the skanking
HardCandy419 (10:57:16 PM): However, because I am not a man, I do not fall prey to this argument
HardCandy419 (10:57:26 PM): I can go dancing without skanking.
HardCandy419 (10:57:27 PM): And do
StatAtDovah (10:57:45 PM): But however you do have full knoweldge of the male perspective
StatAtDovah (10:58:18 PM): and by that knowedge you give tacit agreement and approval of that practice
HardCandy419 (10:59:01 PM): I do have full knowledge of it. It would be impossible not to. However, Dancing involves going to a dance club with friends, usually girls, and dancing mostly with the girls that you go with
HardCandy419 (10:20:44 PM): Ocassionally an over zealous male will interupt the circle and try to hump your leg, but if he doesn't dance well, I don't bother
HardCandy419 (10:21:11 PM): if he does dance well, I will dance perhaps one song with him, on the outskirts of said circle before rejoining my friends
StatAtDovah (10:59:29 PM): From the female perpective
HardCandy419 (10:59:51 PM): If I were to continuously engage in the dry humping dancing of the men who do not know how to dance, I would be participating. But I don't.
StatAtDovah (11:00:16 PM): From my perspective, yes you were indeed dancing. But you were also a part of a wider ritual of "skanking"
HardCandy419 (11:00:16 PM): It has to be from the female perspective, because the term skanking is so hingent upon the motive of the persons involved
StatAtDovah (11:00:41 PM): weather or not you happend to be a subject of that ritual is largely irrelivant
HardCandy419 (11:01:09 PM): I was part of the wider ritual, but I was not personally "skanking" in the same way that a person can be in the wider of ritual of say, being an american with out speaking english, being patriotic, or even being a citizen
StatAtDovah (11:02:01 PM): SO therefore I can say how was america, in much the same manner as I can say how was skanking
StatAtDovah (11:02:56 PM): An be just as non-offensive
StatAtDovah (11:04:03 PM): because by iquiring into the effect of participating in a social ritual on an individual, I am not implying wholesale agreement or acceptance of said ritual.
HardCandy419 (11:04:06 PM): no, because it could be just as offensive if you are not an american to be called an american as if you are called a skant and not one
HardCandy419 (11:04:14 PM): :-)
StatAtDovah (11:04:19 PM): I did not call you a skank
HardCandy419 (11:04:21 PM): I love you DJ
StatAtDovah (11:04:24 PM): or an american
HardCandy419 (11:04:31 PM): But it was implyed when you asked how skanking was
StatAtDovah (11:04:35 PM): Not at all
StatAtDovah (11:04:44 PM): Skanking is a socal ritual
HardCandy419 (11:04:59 PM): with a negative connotation for the female involved
StatAtDovah (11:05:07 PM): Granted.
StatAtDovah (11:05:42 PM): Can we both be lawyers in a trial some day?
StatAtDovah (11:05:45 PM): please?
HardCandy419 (11:05:56 PM): and so when you asked how skanking was, with it came the negative connotation that because I am female, and involved with skanking, I am in fact a skank.
StatAtDovah (11:05:57 PM): Like it doesn't even have to be a real one
HardCandy419 (11:06:01 PM): :-) Sure
StatAtDovah (11:06:15 PM): See? there's the flaw in your arguement!
StatAtDovah (11:06:21 PM): You just said yourself!
HardCandy419 (11:06:47 PM): Fine, you win
StatAtDovah (11:06:47 PM): in the same way that a person can be in the wider of ritual of say, being an american with out speaking english, being patriotic, or even being a citizen
HardCandy419 (11:07:03 PM): I have 3 papers and a presentation to prepare for for tomorrow
HardCandy419 (11:07:08 PM): I really, really , really have to go
HardCandy419 (11:07:11 PM): Like an hour ago
HardCandy419 (11:07:14 PM): :-)
StatAtDovah (11:07:20 PM): Skanking doesn't equal....
StatAtDovah (11:07:21 PM): fine
StatAtDovah (11:07:26 PM): ::sigh::
StatAtDovah (11:07:29 PM): At least I win
HardCandy419 (11:07:32 PM): :-) Sure
StatAtDovah (11:07:37 PM): :-)
HardCandy419 (11:07:41 PM): :-) But only because I gave up
StatAtDovah (11:07:48 PM): That's fine. I still win
HardCandy419 (11:07:49 PM): Remember that ;-)
StatAtDovah (11:08:07 PM): Go do your work
StatAtDovah (11:08:13 PM): skank
StatAtDovah (11:08:44 PM): ;-)
HardCandy419 (11:08:47 PM): Fuck you! :-)
HardCandy419 (11:09:00 PM): love you DJ. Thanks for the arguement
StatAtDovah (11:09:06 PM): Anytime hon
I love having random meaningless intelligent debates with my best friends.
Well, I'm off to beatstock for tonight, then I have to come home and finish my poetry assignment for the week. See you all later.