Could I go more than 2 minutes without ranting? No, of course not, it would be BORING

[static_pixie]

Set off by a comment over at the CW site, which means, really, I have no good reason to rant but I'm going to anyway.

Comments

[chasingtides]

I agree with everything you said. Dean isn't exactly having your typical Biblical bow-before-the-glory-of-god interaction with Castiel. And I have the distinct feeling that eventually Castiel is going to try to get Dean to kill Sam (doesn't everyone) and it will backfire majorly on Castiel and God. (It's not like angels haven't been trying to get people to kill relatives since the book of Genesis anyway.)

As for the people who think that it makes the show Judeo-Christian and actively rejecting other religions - they have been watching the show right? I mean Scarecrow and A Very Supernatural Christmas have been down right defamatory toward pagan religions. And spoilers tell me that there's an episode coming up that's literally right out of Chick Tract. We don't need Castiel to reject other religions.

(Yes. I am pagan. Yes, I watch the show. It's horror trope and I can deal with it.)

[static_pixie]

And I have the distinct feeling that eventually Castiel is going to try to get Dean to kill Sam (doesn't everyone) and it will backfire majorly on Castiel and God.

I get the same feeling, though I don't necessarily think that the specific work he has for Dean is bringing Sam back from the edge like a lot of people do. I'm actually kind of curious as to what he wants Dean to do, but yeah, I do think that it'll end up him pitted against Sam, and hopefully they get that before too late (or, who am I KIDDING, bring on the Winchester vs. Winchester battle!)

We don't need Castiel to reject other religions.This is true, SPN has done a pretty good job of fucking with other religions by pulling out only the scary parts of them or making parts that aren't supposed to be scary, scary. I mean, the backbone of SPN has always been Judeo-Christian mythology, it's the way it is (it's the way Buffy was), and, you're right, it's a trope. What I love about SPN, though, is they kind of take it and twist it. Like I don't know what they're going to

[willfully]

YES. THIS.

I love that they seem to have taken a cue more from the Old Testament about God and the angels. The God of the Torah is moody, vengeful, and imperfect; he sent an angel down to wrestle with Jacob, for fuck's sake, and all you have to do is look at the book of Job to know that even those WITH faith don't always get treated well. And yes, seriously, kudos to SPN for drawing parallels between the angels and the demons -- not all demons are completely bad and not all the angels are completely good.

(I am now even more excited to take my New Testament class next block, following up to the Old Testament one I took. EEEEEEEE. :D)

[static_pixie]

Yeah, the God of the Old Testiment was pretty demanding and scary and that seems to be where they're working from. Which actually, even if it makes the Judeo-Christian part of the show bigger than any other part, slots it in kind of nicely with all of the other religions they've put in because they're giving you this huge negative twist on it. It's odd to me that people are fine with Judeo-Christian mythology being such a huge part of SPN until they mention God. Not to mention, Castiel could totally be lying and could be a rouge angel or something.

[n_isfor_neville]

I think the funny part is (and I'm probably going to piss people off for saying it, but I really don't care), Christians look at God like he is an incredibly loving creator. They preach all of that "God is always right there when you need him" crap. From reading the Bible, it was always my impression that he's a controlling asshole. Yeah, I said it. He puts people through incredible hell on earth for what, his amusement? Humans are basically pawns in the ongoing war with the demons. And this episode of Supernatural just supported my theory. As you've pointed out, this angel isn't exactly loving. He didn't do a good dead out of the kindness of his heart; he did it because he had to.

And if I go to hell, at least I know there will be a lot of fun people there with me! Really though, I don't believe in the Christian God, so I'm really not worried.

[static_pixie]

He didn't do a good dead out of the kindness of his heart; he did it because he had to.
Exactly. And that handprint looked burned into Dean's skin. He's on a mission, like anything else on SPN, and everything outside of that mission is...well, unimportant. If he's not just lying, which he could be

[icymorning]

something hilarious:
I no longer watch the show, but clicked on your post.
I have no idea what it's all about, but Pandy mentioned a "God wants you to live" line, and I found myself wanting to rant.
Of course, since I'm off the show, I can't. But I just didn't want your journal to have an empty space in which I would have normally respectfully debated with you on the possible co-existence of both pagan and christian traditions in the show (considering Houses of the Holy was my favorite episode) so ...

THERE.

LOL

confusing woman is confusingly confused.

[static_pixie]

you are less confusingly confusing that I think you think you are, my friend. :) I'm glad there is no blank space, the blank space was making me sad

[faeriesfolly]

I didn't find it at all what I will call judeo-christian flavored.
I loved how detached the angel was. How dark. How he kinda reminded me of an owl the way he was just head tilting and staring at dean. Made me laugh. I want an animated icon of him tilting his head and staring that says ORLY?

[static_pixie]

Yeah. It's like they're using judeo-christian terminology but that's about as far as it goes. I also loved Castiel's darkness, his indifference to so many things, the fact that Dean was probably the more loving person in the room when they spoke, despite his 'non-belief'. Dean's used love as a guiding force his entire life, it wasn't just his father's orders that made him take care of Sam the way he did. His unconditional love for his little brother has been one of the brightest forces in the show and I assume it'll stay that way.'