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[Fandom: And there's more!]

May 09, 2009 01:14

So I'm going to get to the comments to my last two entry as soon as I can (I appreciate them all, and am super excited to go through them again!). But there's something I noticed that Ruby said and I think this whole debate about Sam kind of hinges on it.

( This is how a man becomes a monster(Spoilers 4.21) )

fandom, spn, 4.21, meta

Comments 7

chasingtides May 9 2009, 17:31:59 UTC

I'm not 100% sure that demon blood is just raw power. We don't actually know that much about it. I think we've been purposefully kept in the dark about this and that the next episode will hinge on it. I've noticed (and this might be true and accurate and might not be) that immediately after drinking demon blood, Sam tends to be more aggressive. This could be because the power makes him feel stronger and on the power high, he feels invincible and like he can do anything. On the other hand, the blood itself could be a source of aggression ( ... )

static_pixie May 9 2009, 22:38:26 UTC

According to the ghouls, he doesn't taste human anymore. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a demon from Hell, but it does mean he's not 100% human anymoreHe was never 100% human, though. Even if he stopped drinking it, he'd never be completely human. Which I think is his issue with Dean's calling him a monster; it's kind of a continuum for him, so if the trouble is with what he is and not what he's doing then there's not much he can do about that ( ... )

smidee May 9 2009, 21:57:12 UTC

What happened in that room is that it came down to faith in the angels miraculously delivering or faith in Sam who has delivered all year and knows he needs Deans help in taking this one last step and Dean chose the angels because that means Dean's not weak.I read it much more as Sam is willing to go dark-side to kill Lilith and Dean isn't willing to let him. We can't forget that Dean knows exactly what it's like to be damned and he believes wholeheartedly that it would be better to die human than live damned. The point that Dean says that Sam is a Monster is right after Sam tells Dean that he knows exactly what he's doing, that it's a logical choice and basically that he's willing to sacrifice his humanity for his revenge ( ... )

static_pixie May 9 2009, 23:31:05 UTC

We can't forget that Dean knows exactly what it's like to be damned and he believes wholeheartedly that it would be better to die human than live damned. The point that Dean says that Sam is a Monster is right after Sam tells Dean that he knows exactly what he's doing, that it's a logical choice and basically that he's willing to sacrifice his humanity for his revenge.But Sam never was completely human. It's all on a sliding scale and either way, Sam is damned. They're not letting anything part demon into heaven, no matter what, not if Castiel wouldn't even shake his hand after he'd stopped what he was doing ( ... )

smidee May 10 2009, 00:14:31 UTC

not if Castiel wouldn't even shake his hand after he'd stopped what he was doing.

That was amiguous at best though... it could have easily been read that Castiel had simply never encountered a human that tried to shake his hand before and was a bit slow on the uptake. :P He's not a great socializer.

'm trying to think why Sam's powers would work so effectively against Lilith in the season three finale if he didn't have Ruby's blood in him and he wasn't even trying but can't do anything to her now.

But Sam didn't do anything to Lilith in season 3 except try to stab her with the knife... we just found out that her powers don't work on him, which has been consistent this season. It doesn't seem to apply to any demon except Lilith though, which is interesting.

I wonder whether Dean kills Bobby next episode.

Why on earth would Dean kill Bobby? Unless I missed some massive hint in the episode they do seem to be of an understanding, even if they may not agree completely. I can't see what him killing Bobby would accomplish.

static_pixie May 10 2009, 02:10:14 UTC

There are some clips up for the next ep and Dean and Bobby don't seem to be on the same page so much.

And Lilith's powers were working on Sam, she had him pinned to the wall while Dean was being ripped apart. It was only after she attacked him that her powers suddenly didn't work, so it was something he did. And I'm not sure what.

And I wonder about it not applying to any other demon. Because Samhain threw the same thing at him that Lilith did, ostensibly because he's just ,that old and would have that kind of power. And Sam just kept walking and after that, Samhain didn't use any more power on him, he just attacked him physically, which I found strange. Episdoe 7 is also three episodes after he's stopped drinking Ruby's blood and three episodes before she again comments on the fact that he's not drinking her blood ( ... )

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