[Fandom: Ooooo...exciting SPN thoughts!]

[static_pixie]

As with everything, I keep going back and forth on this season of SPN. On the one hand, the whole soulless Sam thing kind of sucks, particularly because we don't have all that much time left with these characters. On the other hand, it leads to some really, really interesting meta. Which got me thinking about something. Lol, if you bother to

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[monicawoe]

I definitely agree that Sam is more than human. In terms of the Cage - I am convinced it couldn't hold his body, because it wasn't designed too. I think Sam esentially got out of Hell because Hell spit out his body - it didn't know what to do with it. Crowley is just takimg credit for that, but had nothing to do with it.

[etoile444]

The more I've been thinking on it the more likely the Cage can't hold anything but angels. Cas makes a quick assumption that Sam is there, but he has no prior experience or knowledge of how the cage works with anything other than Lucifer. And Cas is somewhat unreliable. He thought the seals breaking could be stopped when really serior management (read: Michael) wanted it. But Cas didn't know that.

I've always thought Dean's power lay in his soul. He moved the glass and the ouigi board in "Time of Dying" and he got into the hang of his soul moving in "DEath.." Sam's power lay in his body.

I could believe Sam (sometimes I think body and soul) is in Purgatory or Heaven or in stasis, but I guess purgatory would be my best guess.

[percysowner]

I think Sam was born human, because Missouri and Pamela were psychic and still human. I do think that Sam's powers were innate, not the result of the demon blood. I do think he may well have gotten himself out of Hell. Part of me wonders if he was able to get out, but left part of himself in Hell because Adam couldn't get out and Sam left his soul to protect his brother.

One small correction. you said (the YED said that he was picking specific women but didn't say why). And cupid brought them both together so that there could be this epic battle.. The YED was picking both men and women. When Mary and Samuel were investigating the first deal was made by a boy who was being abused by his father. The boy wanted him dead, made his deal and the father died in an accident in his farm equipment. I think that the YED was making deals with anyone who had the potential bloodline to host an Archangel. Frankly Lucifer didn't exactly give Azazel precise instructions. "Find me a special child" covers a lot of ground.

[echo_grace_07]

I believe the Cage has a kind of sieve effect. Because it was made to hold an archangel - a metaphysical being made of power and Grace - both Sam and Adam's physical bodies went in and slipped right out again. (I think Crowley's got the Adam-bot chained up to his throne Downstairs as a show of power, and sent golem!Sam back to Earth, since he's heard the Boy King myth, too, and didn't want any interference from it.)

Sam's soul is partially sifted from Lucifer's, but the demon blood he ingested has blurred the lines enough that Crowley can't quite pull what he claims.

Adam's soul might've gone straight to Heaven, or, since we don't know what his body had to absorb to endure Michael's occupation (Grace-infused beer and burgers in the green room, perhaps?), he might be stuck in no-man's-land with Sam. (I'm kinda hoping this is the case. I actually wanna see more of the Third Brother dynamic.)

As to whether Sam was ever human, I'll just point you to my metas rather than spewing all over your journal . . .