I found it hard to give a crap about the Altverse last season so I sympathize. I agree that the pacing this season has been SUPER SLOW. I guess because they want us to get used to this "Amberverse" and really take note of the "consequences" (the producers said that was a key theme this season) of Peter's action. But I'm hoping that 4.08 like 3.08 "Entrada" will significantly up the pace.
Good point about Elizabeth...no idea why that would be.
It almost seems their lives are reversed, AmberOlivia grew up with knowledge of what had happened to her and in a relatively safe and secure environment but her adult life lacks whereas BlueOlivia didn't grow up with that but her adult life has those things that may terrify her but that she's always wanted. I REALLY REALLY like this point. It's so true. And like you said, I do think the show is trying to show us that they're not quite the same person and yet they are -- there are subtle differences that make them the same Olivia at the core of it (this woman just trying to find her place in the world and longing to be normal). Alt!livia versus Amber or BlueOlivia, on the other hand, are really different people because Alt!livia has a confidence and "swagger" (as Anna Torv once put it) to her that the two other Olivias lack. She's not plagued by doubts and uncertainty. She feels true camaraderie with the rest of Fringe Division (alt!Lincon and alt!Charlie), and is content in her relationship with Frank. She doesn't have the
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I think this Peter is the BluePeter. They brought BluePeter's consciousness forward in time to himself in 2026, BluePeter saw all the devastation, saw that Olivia had been killed etc... and he was able to return to 2011 and he made a different choice than the last time, this time choosing to bridge the gap between the two universes instead of destroying the other one. That's what he was always meant to do. Once he did it, he "served his purpose" and vanished from existence as he was never supposed to have existed and he was the only one who could fix the problems between both universes. This Peter, to me at least, is the same as BluePeter. He has all the memories and experiences of not only his life before but what he experienced while in 2026. And that future in 2026, doesn't exist anymore, it's something new and unknown now since he changed the course of what happened.
Saying Nina knows about the other Time Line is a bit of a stretch, I'm not sure how she could know either, but she definitely knows something. That's a good point,
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I shared most of my thoughts on my epically long rant to you earlier, but I just wanted to say that I agree with everything you've said here. I mean, I do believe that the writers will do justice to the characters, but it's hard not to feel frustrated with them at this point because everything is just so flip floppy in terms of the way Olivia is portrayed
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And then I feel bad for thinking it because it makes Olivia seem scheming and like she's playing with Lincoln's emotions. Hee, I don't think it makes Olivia seem scheming. I think it's a subconscious defense mechanism of hers to retreat and go with the safe option (and I'm thinking of 314 last year -- Peter calls her on the fact that it's not really all about Altlivia but she herself is holding them back and she doesn't realize it until he confronts her about it), so it's not like she's purposely trying to manipulate Lincoln's emotions. Rather, there's this hole in her life (one that technically she didn't start to feel until the rewrite like a month ago or however long ago it was supposed to be now) and Lincoln shows up shortly after the rewrite and Peter's appearance probably amplifies this feeling of something "missing" and Lincoln is just there, non-threatening as you noted, and she's finally beginning to see that the way she feels in comparison to her colleagues really isn't normal (also I think amplified by Peter's
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Plus -- in terms of the flipflopping -- as chichurimentioned elsewhere they're playing Olivia alot like S1 Peter in that we don't get alot of insight into what she's really thinking (finally did in this episode with the Nina talk) so it's hard to get a real read on her. For example, we had NO idea that she'd been having dreams of Peter (we all thought Walter was the first one to "remember" Peter) but then we find out that yes, she, too had been seeing him EVERY night for 2 freakin' weeks.
But when we do get insight into her mind, I think more often than not, we find out something that makes her more like BlueOlivia than not -- she's seeing Peter, she just wants to be normal, she's observant enough to know that the "other her" was important to Peter and only wishes him well, etc.
Anyways, think I've rambled on long enough considering LJ made me post this in two comments! ;)
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Good point about Elizabeth...no idea why that would be.
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Plus -- in terms of the flipflopping -- as chichurimentioned elsewhere they're playing Olivia alot like S1 Peter in that we don't get alot of insight into what she's really thinking (finally did in this episode with the Nina talk) so it's hard to get a real read on her. For example, we had NO idea that she'd been having dreams of Peter (we all thought Walter was the first one to "remember" Peter) but then we find out that yes, she, too had been seeing him EVERY night for 2 freakin' weeks.
But when we do get insight into her mind, I think more often than not, we find out something that makes her more like BlueOlivia than not -- she's seeing Peter, she just wants to be normal, she's observant enough to know that the "other her" was important to Peter and only wishes him well, etc.
Anyways, think I've rambled on long enough considering LJ made me post this in two comments! ;)
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