6 days til I'm out of this state

[suicide_angel]

But in the mean time...

Does anyone truly know how the 17th century was modern yet pre modern????

I mean like the Intellectual Revolution vs. Factioning of Religions vs. Economics and Government and blah blah blah.
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!

I need a sedative.

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[scatteredashes]

Just wanted to say that The 69 Eyes rock.

[suicide_angel]

extremely rock

[bettiemorbid]

purple, because ice cream has no bones

[gamahucheur]

One has to know the relevant conceptualization of modernity to properly answer the question, and one has to know about where we're talking.

(For example, it wasn't until the late eighteenth century that France abandoned absolute monarchy.)

[suicide_angel]

it's the 17th century in all of europe and the idea of modernity is completely left up to who it's conceived.
and this is why i'm running in circles.

[gamahucheur]

Okay, so your first task is to generate - without giving much thought to the seventeenth century per se - a conception of modernity, that fits ideologies across the board: political, religious, scientific, economic, and perhaps artistic.

It seems as though the modern political ideologies are repubican, often democratic. Certainly we also have some other regimes, but they typiclly disguise themselves as republics.

The modern religious ideology is tolerance. Even those who propose to reëstablish a state religion in the US feel the need to (a) (mis)represent an act of establishment as protecting themselves from a supposed establishment of atheïsm, rather than as an establishment of theïsm; (b) establish a loosely-defined theism, rather than the religion of one sect.

The modern scientific ideology is empiricism.

A serious fight could erupt over whether there was a modern economic ideology and, if so, over what it was; the modern economic ideology happens to be economic liberalism, but you might want to steer clear of that. But you

[suicide_angel]

thanx daniel.
i was pulling my hair out.