Comments | sumeragiskank: Originally posted on tumblr

sumeragiskank

Originally posted on tumblr

May 17, 2012 15:10

In response to this post on ONTD in regards to some controversy surrounding the "He's adopted" line in the Avengers.

( I had been meaning to eventually share my thoughts on this particular line eventually anyway... )

Comments 7

captivatedlady May 17 2012, 19:39:08 UTC

IA on all points. The way I took it was either like you said, defensive or even like he's adopted and he just found out and isn't taking it well. I do agree that Thor loves Loki no matter what he does. I don't see a lot of slights from Thor, sometimes I see maybe he doesn't take Loki's threats seriously. But I think that could be any big brother toward a younger sibling. And yeah, Loki was on something to say that Thor threw him, he was screaming at him to hold on. Loki was trying to throw Thor off tbh. Maybe I am just defensive about Thor. IDK. I do see legit reasons for Loki to be upset, but he's taking it out on the one person who cares for him the most IMO. I made a comment like this in ontd assemble and someone else said it better than I did. IDK if you can see the thread http://ontdassemble.livejournal.com/1458.html?thread=95154#t95154... )

sumeragiskank May 18 2012, 00:24:26 UTC

Hmm, well, my personal interpretation of Thor is that he's not really a nice person. He has faults, huge glaring ones, and some of them he doesn't even acknowledge as being faults. Like, you know, just murdering frost giants for the hey of it. It's simply who he is. But at his heart, he does have honour and nobility. So, all of that bleeds into his relationship with Loki, where Thor HAS transgressed and often treated Loki unfairly, but it's always been a very two way street. Loki has given as well as he's gotten. But Thor's never held it as a long term grudge, he's always forgiven Loki, always loved him, no matter what they do to each other.

I have a lot of Thor feelings, and I do feel like the Loki fans often work too hard to vilify Thor to justify Loki's actions, when I really feel like to do that is to do Loki a disservice. One of the core facets of his character is that he owns his misdeeds and doesn't apologize for being who he is. Thor does shitty things to Loki. Loki does shitty things to Thor.

captivatedlady May 18 2012, 14:18:17 UTC

I think he did have some justification for being upset at the frost giants though, I mean they kinda broke into the castle and messed up his coronation and he didn't know who was behind it, he just saw it as a huge sign of disrespect and he didn't want to let it go. I mean, I can totally understand him being pissed even though it was immature to react so quickly. But he needed that learning experience, and IA that he does have honor and nobility because he used the consequences he suffered as something to grow better from instead of being all bitter towards everyone for something that he pretty much brought on himself.

pikacheeka May 17 2012, 20:46:06 UTC

This is more or less how I saw it as well. I myself am not adopted, though there's been adoption in my family, so it's something I've grown up with. I guess I can see where some people may take offense to it, but it still seems like there was a pretty big over-reaction in the fandom over those two words, which were clearly meant to be 1) a way of changing an uncomfortable subject for Thor, and 2) a joke in a movie that had a lot of snark in it anyway, in general (then again, I stumbled upon a tumblr post where someone was raging about Stark's "anger management problems" comment ( ... )

sumeragiskank May 18 2012, 02:50:25 UTC

I just don't get how people can completely miss all of the context for that line. Of course, I've seen people write about how they thought Thor was horribly written and started off the movie already writing Loki off and just giving up on him and I am like WHAT MOVIE DID YOU WATCH cause the one I watched was heartbreaking because Thor hadn't and DIDN'T and oh man the possible tears Thor sheds, dammit I need blu ray quality NOW ( ... )

pikacheeka May 18 2012, 04:22:24 UTC

I think a lot of the people who are outraged about it are just the sort of people who feel the need to be outraged about SOMETHING in every single movie/book/tv show/video game/other that happens to be popular, even if it's something they like. There really wasn't much in that movie you can bash, so they zeroed in on that statement ( ... )

sphinxofthenile May 18 2012, 18:09:10 UTC

Gosh, reading all this brilliant meta on this post is making me flail. I have ran into a thread on one of the kink memes discussing this question, and I left a comment much in this spirit myself. Thor accepting Loki in whatever shape and form as part of his immediate family is the very cornerstone of their relationship, and if I'm not mistaken, well illustrated in the comics. It is also reinforced throughout the movie several times ( ... )