a discussion i had with someone on a message board
Sam and Molly
Member
Posts: 28
Registered: 3/10/05
From: Douglasville, GA
Hold on now. That's the problem right now. Grounding is not punishment.
An iyass whippin is.
During my life I used to get the belt across the backside. I would
refrain from doing the bad deed again not because it was immoral, but because I
didnt want to feel that belt anymore.
That kept me in line. In jr high through high school, I got A's and B's.
Got whipped for C's because my mom knew I could do better. I got whipped
even when I had no C's because I would have a bad conduct rating.
My mom said, "You go to school to LEARN, NOT TO SOCIALIZE!!!" Every six
weeks, you could count on me getting a whippin. I'm better for it. She
stayed on my tail, so now I gotta drive and I stay on other peoples
tail to do the best they can.
You better believe my kids are going to get the belt when they get out
of line. It does hurt them to whip their own kids, because they want to
believe that you are their little angel. Even the bible says spare the
rod, spoil the child.
I am not a fan of electronic games, computers, or public schools. Go
outside and play baseball with a tennis racquet and tennis ball if you
have to. Remember when we had to play baseball with a rock and a stick? We
played kickball/baseball with three people. Ghostman on first, Ghostman
on second, or straight bases. We played football with three people. Throw
em up eat em up or throw em up tackle.
We even built a bridge at 9 out of broken branches, painted it with mud
and said "Now cars can drive on it." We rode bikes, we played 21
(basketball) almost 24/7. Daytime, nighttime, mosquitoes, cold.
These kids need their iyass whipped one good time and they will sit down
and shut that mess up. Not any punches, no extension cords, none of that
other stuff, just the work belt. I could hear my mom trying out her
belts before she would come up and punish me.
Swiften
Silverado Member
Posts: 432
Registered: 8/29/04
From: Klamath Falls, OR
Truck: 1988 Sierra
Mods: 19
i hope you like jail.
spanking should be used as a last resort. there are other ways of
punishment. I have never ever spanked a child, and i never will. A belt
was my stepfather's favorite disiplinarian tool. But what do you think
happened when the child hit the teen years and outgrew the parent by about 6
inches in height, 50 pounds in weight and could bench the stepfather?
Its been my experience that over use of spanking runs a risk of making
the kid hate you. and quite possibly it could come back to bite you in the
a55. You might wake up from a nap with a 38 pointed at your head.
Now, im not a complete liberal. spanking does have its places. My
grandfather smacked me a grand total of 2 times. I remember each one
vividly. when i was 7, i decided that water would run in a car, and
filled the tank from the garden hose. When i was 10, i decided i could drive
the neighbors truck (a Peterbuilt, not a chevy).
The smacking didnt hurt. It was the look on my papa's face that did. I'd
never seen that man cry before.
My stepfather on the other hand, enjoyed it. Made him feel like a man im
sure.
Sam and Molly
Member
Posts: 28
Registered: 3/10/05
From: Douglasville, GA
You'll be headed there long before I do.
As far as outgrowing the adult, I could never bring myself to hitting my
mom or dad. THAT is called RESPECT. Sure I could beat up my parents and
grandparents when they are 80 or pull an Eric and Lyle Menendez, bet
that makes you feel like a man too huh?
If you talk back to your mom or dad, you deserved to get slapped in the
mouth. I see these little 10 yr olds telling there mom to shut up in
public, no way that would happen in my family or with my kids. You paid
no bills when you were a kid, fed no one. You were a complete expenditure.
Was I mad enough to punch them? Yes, but because they took away
something that deserved to be taken away. If I can't act right, then I don't need to do any extracurricular activities. If I can't treat my parents right in
their own house, then I won't be able to see my friends as I will be
likely to disrespect their parents. My actions reflected on my parents and how
they raised me.
How could I ever cause them bodily harm though? The same people that
cared for me when I was dumping and wetting myself. The same people that fed
me and taught me my first words. Were there when I took my first steps. The
same people that put the clothes on my back. The same people that let me
stay in their house for free. If they didn't care for me or that I
could be a productive member of society one day, then they would not have given
me any of this.
Allowance? Do you know what that is? My mom and grandfather will tell
you the same things: 1) clothes on your back, 2) food on the table 3) roof
overyour head 4) going to school 5) good advice.
At first, I was siding with you on the issue, but you don't take to any
form of discipline. You are not comfortable with anyone telling you that
there is something that you cannot do.
Your parents loved you more than anything, otherwise, they could've sent
you to DFACS, an orphanage, or worse. You're lack of respect for your
own parents disgusts me and is a disappointment that surfaces in more and
more American homes each day
Swiften
Silverado Member
Posts: 432
Registered: 8/29/04
From: Klamath Falls, OR
Truck: 1988 Sierra
Mods: 19
I will pick this rant apart one item at a time.
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You'll be headed there long before I do.
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I certainly doubt that. Just cause i dont like my parents doesnt mean i
break laws. I have a code of honor to follow that i invented from
things i liked from other people. Very little of it came from my parents.
However, you get seen using a weapon (and yes i consider a belt a weapon) on your
child and you will get intimate with the back seat of a patrol car.
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As far as outgrowing the adult, I could never bring myself to hitting
my mom or dad. THAT is called RESPECT. Sure I could beat up my parents and
grandparents when they are 80 or pull an Eric and Lyle Menendez, bet
that makes you feel like a man too huh?
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you beat a kid for a number of years and the kid WILL make you stop one
way or another, either through the law, or a violant action to itself or
you. Respect is earned, not given. and you having sex and making a life
doesnt earn respect. any teenager with a functional set can do that.
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If you talk back to your mom or dad, you deserved to get slapped in
the mouth. I see these little 10 yr olds telling there mom to shut up in
public, no way that would happen in my family or with my kids. You paid
no bills when you were a kid, fed no one. You were a complete expenditure.
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again, i didnt ask to be born. so why should i have to pay for them
having about 5 minutes of fun? It isnt right to tell your mom to shut up. but
it isnt right to tell anyone to shut up. My stepfather on the other hand (i
will not call him my dad) deserved and deserves my contempt.
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Was I mad enough to punch them? Yes, but because they took away
something that deserved to be taken away. If I can't act right, then I don't need to do any extracurricular activities. If I can't treat my parents right in
their own house, then I won't be able to see my friends as I will be
likely to disrespect their parents. My actions reflected on my parents and how
they raised me.
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my friend's parents took better care of me than my own. I never got into
serious trouble. Why? cause i wanted a future that didnt involve my
parents. I did little things here and there. i wasnt perfect. But any
time a kid will purposefully screw up in school to get detention or saturday
session JUST so he doesnt have to be at home... something is up there.
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How could I ever cause them bodily harm though? The same people that
cared for me when I was dumping and wetting myself. The same people that
fed me and taught me my first words. Were there when I took my first
steps. The same people that put the clothes on my back. The same people that
let me stay in their house for free. If they didn't care for me or that I
could be a productive member of society one day, then they would not have
given me any of this.
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changing diapers, feedings, clothes and a roof are required by law for them
having their few moments of fun. If they hadnt given you these things
the law would have stepped in.
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Allowance? Do you know what that is? My mom and grandfather will tell
you the same things: 1) clothes on your back, 2) food on the table 3) roof
over your head 4) going to school 5) good advice.
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I dont believe in allowance either. However, kids need spending money.
Therefore, My kids will do chores or they wont get paid. My mom cut my
brother a check for 200.00 for making a 2.8 on his report card. Thats
pathetic.
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At first, I was siding with you on the issue, but you don't take to
any form of discipline. You are not comfortable with anyone telling you that
there is something that you cannot do.
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dont assume facts not in evidence. regularly using corporal punishment as a
form of disipline is lazyness on a parents part. Get inventive. My
little brother got popped for swiping a hershey bar from the store while my
parents were out of town. the next two days he spent tilling my garden
BY HAND (as in no powered machinery) as punishment.
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Your parents loved you more than anything, otherwise, they could've
sent you to DFACS, an orphanage, or worse. You're lack of respect for your
own parents disgusts me and is a disappointment that surfaces in more and
more American homes each day.
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my parents didnt give a rats a** about me. this was evidenced by the fact i got emancipated by the time i was 16. People that care about you dont break your arm cause you touched the tv remote before your homework was done. People that care about you dont make you wear shoes that are held together by duct tape and hot glue cause they'd rather spend the 25 dollars for new shoes on beer. People that love you dont drag you out of bed at 3am by the hair, let you hit the concrete floor of the garage, because you forgot to change the channel on the TV back to the station *he* likes before u went to bed. They dont smash beer bottles over your head. they dont use a dog chain as a whip, and they dont blame the 10 year old boy for being mollested by his uncle. I prayed for DCF to step in. My teachers called. My friends parents called even offering to take me. But because the DCF investegator went to the stepfather's church, he did nothing about it.
So you will forgive me if i dont agree with your opinion on whippin. That form of punishment is to easy to over use, and its too easy to go too far with it. I am too big, too strong, and too angry of a person to smack a child.and its too easy to go too far with it. I am too big, too strong, and too angry of a person to smack a child.