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Fandom Fuckery

Oct 22, 2012 18:26

I think it's pretty telling of me, as a Whovian, to think that the best badass moment of Rose's screen time was when she was taken over by a semi-sentient time machine.

Disclaimer: I loved Rose when watching her for the first time. Fandom has ruined her for me. I refuse to follow in the steps of my foremothers concerning Amy.

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ladymercury_10 October 22 2012, 23:24:59 UTC

Telling how? That her most BA moment was when she wasn't even quite herself?

I liked Rose a lot when I started watching, but the show's seesawing about whether it wanted her back or it just wanted to jerk the fans around about it kind of ruined her for me. And yeah, she kind of overshadowed the other characters in fandom. I think I'd like to go back and watch all her episodes, since I missed a lot of RTD Who, and maybe now I have enough distance that I'd like her again. But I have the attention span of an overcaffeinated squirrel so idk how well that would go. This weekend I didn't even manage to watch the single episode of Elementary that I needed to see to stay caught up.

ETA: I have returned! Wow is it late, I will have to make this fast, but long story short, have been trawling eve11's Teaspoon favorites to find fic to read, and tonight I happened upon this Rose-centric story (it could be Ten/Rose, but it's not overtly shippy, idk). I hardly ever read Rose fic anymore, but this is really mature and sad and lovely and SET ( ... )

tasty_kate October 26 2012, 02:32:43 UTC

Thank you for the recs!

And yeah, you got it; her kick assery moment was partially due to her being not quite herself. I just remember that scene and do a fist pump every time I think about it. Billie Piper's acting was SPOT ON during that and... ugh. Loved it. But then it seemed that things went... I dunno, almost soap-operay as far as Rose and her appearance in the episodes go. Fall in love with man, ripped apart from him before her time, man continues to pine over her loss, has a triumphant return (DESPITE making it clear that he could never see her again), gets a handy duplicate to have in an alternate universe... It's just too clean, I suppose. I completely agree with Karen Gillan when she said that when it was her time, she wanted to be completely out of the show, no returns, as it lessens the impact of her leaving in the first place.

ladymercury_10 October 26 2012, 02:48:29 UTC

Yeah, I agree. Well, and I've heard that "Doomsday" was supposed to be a metaphorical death, which is kind of how Amy and Rory's deaths are, too, since from their perspective they have 50 years left, and I would rather miss them a little too much than get sick of them and have it make their ending sort of meaningless.

tasty_kate October 26 2012, 02:52:34 UTC

It's seeing the massive Rose/Ten shippers that have made me determined to love Oswin/Clara and to be completely open (but probably not prepared) for when Matt Smith is ready to move on, and the same for Stephen Moffat. Change IS Doctor Who. Otherwise we wouldn't have this show for so goddamn long. haha

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ir3actions October 23 2012, 00:46:54 UTC

I liked Rose in Series 1 plenty. But Russell T. Davies simply couldn't handle the pressure of continuing to run the show, and it showed in the quality of his scripts, where instead of continuing to write Rose, he used her as a fictional avatar to act out his feelings towards David Tennant and the tenth Doctor. He kept forcing Rose into scripts as "the love of the Doctor's life" even though it was plainly obvious that A) Rose was not a remotely suitable life partner to the Doctor B) If such a life partner existed, Russell wouldn't know how to write for the character and C) David Tennant and Billie Piper had no chemistry ( ... )

tasty_kate October 26 2012, 02:39:01 UTC

YES. EVERYTHING, YES. I think you do a great job here picking apart Rose and these two Doctor's interactions with her. I really ought to rewatch those seasons; I've only seen most episodes only once and many of them deserve a rewatch. Who knows, maybe my opinion will change about Rose if I see her again...

So... I don't think fandom hates Rose, I think fandom likes Rose and dislikes seeing a Billie Piper character serve as Russell's mouthpiece and avatar, if you will. I know many people who are still really fond of Rose/Doctor pairing (unfortunately, I believe my mother is included on that...) and it's because of this over-devotion and refusal to accept anything past David Tennant's era that has made me dislike Rose. They've put her up on this pedestal as the Doctor's One True Love, which is a preposterous idea for the reasons you already stated. Plus, no one can replace Sexy. :p ( ... )

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