This shit just keeps getting worse.

Mar 27, 2006 21:49

You never see a Russian dude walk in to a store and ask the clerk in Russian if he speaks Russian, do you ( Read more... )

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cuzzisaidso0 March 28 2006, 05:14:11 UTC
Exactly!

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tat2ed71 March 28 2006, 05:44:10 UTC
Right.

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theyuck March 28 2006, 05:16:46 UTC
tranquilo jefe. Are you gonna join the g.o.p. now? I'm not saying that folks shouldn't learn english or anything, but damn, no necesitas cagarte....

Besides that's exactly how american tourists act everywhere they go.

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tat2ed71 March 28 2006, 05:43:35 UTC
I don't act that way.

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theyuck March 28 2006, 05:56:24 UTC
Not everything is about you, ya know.

ducks and runs for cover

PS- Glad to see you're still alive.

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tat2ed71 March 28 2006, 11:51:31 UTC
I am The King of the Western Hemisphere.

Only things in the Western Hemisphere are about me.

Screw the rest of the planet.

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cutmywings March 28 2006, 11:25:35 UTC
It's like Canada and French, it's the official second language, you just have to deal with it. I understand the frustration but at the same time someone shouldn't have to totally give up their heritage and who they are just to make the white man happy. He should have tried to speak to you in English, but you also could have met him halfway. Actions effect others way more than you think

I'm writing an essay on Crash, I think I'm just hypersensitive right now

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tat2ed71 March 28 2006, 11:49:34 UTC
No. they don't have to give up their heritage at all.

My family spoke their native languages at home and kept their heritage.

But someone assuming that people speak their language is just asinine.

Besides, there is no official second language in the USA.

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cutmywings March 28 2006, 14:13:38 UTC
there's certainly a lot of catering to the population then if it's not official. Once it's on store packages and shit I think that's your sign. Whatever, think I'm dumb. I guess there is a difference when it's expected and when people like my oma and opa were ridiculed while trying their best. you win.

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tat2ed71 March 28 2006, 22:09:43 UTC
It's not about winning. It's about people who have no respect.

My grandparents (and yours too, I suspect) did not expect people in their new country to know their native language. They learned the language of the country as best as they could.

They were still called derogatory names like DP, wop and fucking gypsies, but they tried to become Americans.

These fucking immigrants, 80% of which are illegal, expect us to cater to them and refuse to learn what's expected in this country.

Which brings me to the subect of them driving around with these huge fucking Mexican and Puerto Rican flags on their cars...

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oddessgoddess March 28 2006, 11:53:46 UTC
I agree, I don't know Spanish AT ALL & I'm not going to learn to make others feel better about their lack of education. It's just like how women act (& I do this too, but I don't like it)...we want equality, but then we want special treatment too. They want wages & healthcare & schooling, but they want stuff done their way & on their schedule, forgetting the fact that THEY DON'T LIVE IN MEXICO anymore.

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louthelou March 28 2006, 15:48:20 UTC
I agree. I think, if you're going to live somewhere, you should learn to speak the language atleast well enough for anything you'll need. Your tattoo incident here is a perfect example of what should NOT be happening. If I were to move to Germany, I would not walk around, talking to people in English expecting them to understand me (although English is taught there as regular curriculum). I would learn to speak the language. But perhaps that comes from my preference not to look like a retard or to be a burden ( ... )

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oddessgoddess March 28 2006, 17:04:47 UTC
"and I can't say I'd want to take the time to learn the language of a bunch of people who only look down on me anyway."

& that’s part of the problem right there. The whole thing is a circle & it feeds on itself. If you’re an immigrant who doesn’t think anybody wants him here & then acts like that, his attitude will cause more people to not like him & then increase the stereotype. But if you’re an immigrant who doesn’t think that that & instead, tries to make an effort at joining the society & becoming a citizen in more ways than legal, then other people will respond favorably & it will help reduce the stereotypes.

Not that the immigrants are all at fault here, but I agree with you, if you’re a guest in another home/village/country, it’s your job to find out what’s normal there (language, customs, etc) & try to follow their flow, not expect everybody else to change & do what you want, because you’re new.

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tat2ed71 March 28 2006, 22:14:48 UTC
They are looked down on because they don't try to assimilate the customs of their new country!!

The 'legal' alien status is another thing that has to go. You want to work here and live here, then you should have to give up foreign citizenship and become an American.

The good jobs in this country are disappearing because these aliens will work for nothing, make some cash to send back, then leave and live like a king in their own country for a couple of years on the money that they made here in one year. When the money runs out, they come back!

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louthelou March 29 2006, 04:34:02 UTC
I don't know whether or not I'd want to give up my home just for a job. That is, give up my status as an American if I had to work in France for a year or two, no matter what the pay. If they're actually wanting to live out their lives here, then yeah, I agree... but if they're just working here for money to live back there, then I disagree.

And I don't know about you, but I don't see too many brazers in white collar jobs, or even good blue collar. I see them digging holes, working ovens, etc. Could just be me, though.

And yeah... I worked with a guy who did just that. He'd stay here 3 months, go home for 6, etc. He was 56, had a wife and kid, and was simply the kindest person I'd ever met. We barely knew each other, and he once brought me gifts from his last trip home. His job? He washed dishes.

Personally, I think we're all too concerned with having and keeping our own little slice of the pie. But that's getting on to bigger issues and off topic.

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