Essay rec: LJ as a medium

Jul 26, 2004 09:04

Essay rec: double_helix has a fascinating post here on the effect of LJ on fannish communication. Well worth checking out; she considers the effect of the switch from Usenet and mailing lists (technologies which basically filtered content by subject and encouraged threaded discussion) to LJ (a technology which basically filters by person and in which ( Read more... )

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mollyringle July 26 2004, 10:20:42 UTC
I'm with Cara on liking LJ better. I'm finding it easier to live with, in general, than the old discussion lists and chat rooms I used to be involved with. Not only does LJ allow for more individual preferences (we each get our own totally exclusive soapbox! Whee!), but it feels like you can do it on your own time more than the other methods allowed. If you answer an old thread on a mailing list, people will either ignore it or get annoyed. If you answer an old post or comment on LJ, people usually don't mind, because only the person who posted will get the message. You're not bothering the group at large ( ... )

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teasel July 26 2004, 12:06:27 UTC
it feels like you can do it on your own time more than the other methods allowed.

Oh, my yes. There's an advantage to having a soapbox of one's own. On the other hand the funny thing about the technology is that our readers don't experience our soapbox as ours but as theirs -- our posts are chopped off from the rest of our LJs and concatenated in someone's friends list. So the post is on our time, yes, but also weirdly on theirs, or on the scrap or fragment of theirs that the technology allows.

Totally OT, and perhaps I'm contradicting myself here, but you know what LJ reminds me of? Have you ever seen Wings of Desire (the original German version, there's a remake I haven't seen.) -- It's a movie about angels watching over Berlin. The angels kind of drift over the city (in trench coats; I'm not sure why) and listen to bits and scraps of people's disconnected thoughts. In a way this contact is peculiarly intimate (the angels are hearing thoughts after all) but in a way it's strangely impersonal -- the thoughts all kind of merge ( ... )

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mollyringle July 26 2004, 16:43:07 UTC
you know what LJ reminds me of? Have you ever seen Wings of Desire

Oh yes! It does resemble that, now you mention it. Especially when you read someone else's friends list. Personal random stuff from total strangers, each in their own voice.
(Btw, I liked that film until the climax, where it suddenly warped into a 15-minute monologue of European Artistic Deepness. Blech. Way to kill a great setup.)

isn't it also necessarily true of other forms of autobiography?

Hmm, yes - probably the reason why autobiographies are best published posthumously. ;)

whether or to what extent LJ is a form of autobiography or a form of public communication.

That seems to be a constant debate, and probably will have produced a thousand Master's theses in Communication and/or Psychology by the end of the decade. My own answer remains that it's definitely communication, since if it were really truly "just for me," I'd mark every entry "private." Knowing people are reading it changes the tone. Then people try to tell me it shouldn't change the ( ... )

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sistermagpie July 26 2004, 07:55:01 UTC
I loved that post and thought it was interesting that I'd never really thought about this change before. I started on usenet, went to mailing lists and then went to lj and it is very different. Personally, I think I'm very suited to things like mbs and usenet groups because I'm instinctively more subject-oriented. When I do talk about personal things in my lj they're almost always related to odd minutia or things I've seen like plays, movies, ballets etc. A few times I've started to post about family or friends and wound up deleting it. I tend to go back and forth on anything job related and delete that too.

The funny thing for me, too, is that I always find I get a better sense of people relating to them through the subject matter than in listening to them talk about their life. Listening to people talk about the hobbits gives me a sense of who they are and then after that if they mention what they do for a living it adds to that for me. I find doing it the other way around more distancing, in a way. It's very strange.

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teasel July 26 2004, 16:53:29 UTC
I always find I get a better sense of people relating to them through the subject matter than in listening to them talk about their life.

Hmm, well, isn't it interesting how we come to a sense of people's characters? In a book that I unfortunately cannot otherwise remember to save my soul, a perceptive teenage character says he always judges people by the way they make left turns. Makes sense to me. I guess in fandom, yes, oddly there does seem to be some kind of a relationship in my head -- though perhaps it's only there -- between the way people relate to LotR's characters and the way they otherwise turn out to be. (I also find myself imagining -- is it only imagination, I wonder? that the way a person writes Frodo in particular in LotR (and Draco in particular in HP) sometimes seems almost more like TMI than a blow-by-blow description of that persons recent minor surgery ( ... )

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mariole July 26 2004, 09:44:28 UTC
I like both types of groups. Sometimes the personal stuff can get a little heavy or whiney, and I just skip it to get on to someone who is exercising oversexed hobbits in some way that I really enjoy. This is my relaxation, after all. On the other hand, it's a privilege to follow along with people's adventures, and just give an encouraging word when a really nice person is up against some adversity. I hate quarreling, so any personal disputes I run away from in the most prompt and cowardly fashion. I live in a happy La-la Land here in LJ (except for the occasional political rant ( ... )

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singeaddams July 26 2004, 10:32:49 UTC
Sometimes the personal stuff can get a little heavy or whiney, and I just skip it to get on to someone who is exercising oversexed hobbits in some way that I really enjoy

You too? Wow, what are the odds?!

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mariole July 26 2004, 10:52:41 UTC
*blushes mightily*

I thought I was the only one! *feels sense of shame diminish * tries to get another peek of Frodo with his shirt off...*

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teasel July 26 2004, 17:07:42 UTC
Good lord, why are so many people interested in oversexed hobbits? I'm stunned at disappointed by the low moral tone around here.

I don't suppose you can tell me where these oversexed hobbits might be found? Just so I can, you know, avoid them more efficiently.

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suspect_terrain July 26 2004, 10:54:03 UTC
Interesting ( ... )

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suspect_terrain July 26 2004, 15:20:34 UTC
A couple other things ( ... )

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teasel July 27 2004, 05:56:00 UTC
Mel! It's good to have you back *hugs*

the nature of f-lists makes it unlikely that {generic cool person} will read anything I say, particularly in this fandom where the ability to write amazing stories is the currency of popularity.Well, erm, you CAN write amazing stories, and some of us are still waiting to hear more about the adventures of geologist Frodo. I do grant your larger point, however: LJ is very hard to get started in, much more so than a message board or a list. There's always this sense that you're on someone else's personal turf, and that you're talking to their best buddies, and that the ongoing discussion is one of those hermetically sealed conversations among like-minded friends of long standing. For me this feeling hasn't gone away even though I've been here for almost a year now. I have people on my flist that I haven't DARED speak to, even in cases where we are mutually friended ( ... )

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suspect_terrain July 27 2004, 12:02:23 UTC
There's always this sense that you're on someone else's personal turf, and that you're talking to their best buddies, and that the ongoing discussion is one of those hermetically sealed conversations among like-minded friends of long standing. For me this feeling hasn't gone away even though I've been here for almost a year now. I have people on my flist that I haven't DARED speak to, even in cases where we are mutually friended.
Well, yes, there's the sense that commenting in someone's LJ is sort of treading in their personal space. (BTW, odds are high that people who have friended you but not commented are not thinking "Ick!" but "OMG I don't dare post a comment in the Brilliant Teasel's journal so I'll just lurk". :D ( ... )

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claudia603 July 26 2004, 10:56:15 UTC
Actually, it kind of makes me sad in some ways, when I think about it. Back in the day, everyone interested in hobbits, or specifically Frodo, for example, was on one list. Well, lists became "yesterday" and nobody posts their stories/thoughts, etc. in that one list. So came LJ, which for the record, I adore for the most part. I'm like a crack addict every morning. I roll out of bed and stumble right to the computer to see what's been happening on LJ while I was sleeping. I love to read people's stories, personal rants, filtered bitchiness, etc. Do I use filters? Oh, hell, yes ( ... )

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teasel July 27 2004, 06:31:50 UTC
I have no way of knowing who filters ME out of their posts. I'm sure there are many, but I have no way of knowing when I post something whether every person I have listed as a friend is actually reading or giving any kind of care about it.Oh, yes, I didn't even touch on filters in my original post, but you're quite right: they make LJ even MORE decentralized and organized-by-person than the existence of the friends list itself. And I've noticed both of the phenomena you describe. The majority of the people who have me friended have never commented, and occasionally I wonder whether it's because they have me off their filters or whether they're reading avidly and thinking, ick ( ... )

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semyaza July 27 2004, 10:47:59 UTC
Well, I'd be more than happy if you had an H/D filter and I was the only one on it. Even though I am madly passionate about H/D, I made the decision not to talk about them on my LJ because it just becomes too complicated when you have more than one fandom per LJ (and I don't want/need a myriad of LJs). Oh, and by the way--have you friended _hdcomic, 'cos it's priceless.

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