Discussion post: Expectations on Crucible of Gold

Apr 14, 2011 12:40

As you may have heard, Naomi Novik has now finished the draft for Crucible of Gold and it is due some time in spring 2012. That's a year from now. So to entertain ourselves while we wait (and to try and blow some life into this comm) I thought we might have a little discussion on our expectations for book 7. What do you hope will happen? What/ ( Read more... )

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konora April 13 2011, 13:36:05 UTC
Seconding wanting to see the Incan Empire! I'm dying to know what Naomi has changed about the history of that part of the world. How different are the dragons? The civilizations?

I want to see Laurence have some downtime. The poor man got put through the wringer in Tongues of Serpents. D: As much fun as it is to read about him being flustered, harried, etc., that last time was just hard.

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angie_white April 13 2011, 14:29:30 UTC
Dare we guess that the Incas treat their dragons way better than the British and that Temeraire's meeting with them will give him even more motivation for his dragon-rights campaing?:P

You're right, Laurence really deserves a break. Hopefully he will have had some relaxing quality time with Temeraire in Australia between the books so he's fit and ready for new adventures in the beginning of CoG:)

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myxginxblossoms April 13 2011, 13:36:10 UTC
There were rumours floating around a while ago that Novik had confirmed that at least one of the characters is gay. Dare we hope for an outing in this book?

Well, what I specifically asked her was whether she was planning on dealing with queerness and including queer characters where historically they might not have been, the way she has done with characters of colour, and her short answer was yes, she planned to. So it's not a promise that one of the characters is gay so much as a promise that at some point, there will presumably be at least one demonstrably, non-subtextually queer character. WHICH IS A HAIRSPLITTING DIFFERENCE, I know, but I figure we might as well be exact. ♥

As far as what I want from CoG, I guess I know what I'll spend my lunch hour today writing up. :D

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angie_white April 13 2011, 14:37:03 UTC
And there we see what happens with rumours when they've been around the Internet for a while:) I still count it as good news, though, and I'm very eager to read it:D So far I think Naomi has done a splendid job including characters of colour, women etc in a credible way, so I can't wait to see how she deals with queerness.

I'm looking forwards to a long list of interesting suggestions:P

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chibimarchy April 13 2011, 16:45:13 UTC
Ditto for reuniting the boys! And I really want to know about the different dragon races in both North and South America (since we got a snippet about that in the last book).

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myxginxblossoms April 13 2011, 16:47:25 UTC
Let's see, things I want.

1. A queer female character. I mean, yes, in my ideal world, the books would end with Tharkay and Laurence confessing their love to each other and living in an inexplicable happily ever after world where a niece or nephew of Laurence's then became Temeraire's closest confidant after Laurence's death. Or an everyone-is-gay scenario, but that's meant for my silly modern AUs and little else, no doubt. But in a world where I foresee having one, maybe two queer characters tops (because I'd rather keep my expectations as low as possible), I'd rather we met a lesbian or bisexual woman. Lately, in the historical pieces I've read/watched, if there's a queer character, said character is inevitably a gay man, which leaves me feeling vaguely bitter and left out. The military here is still predominantly male, and there are explicit, well-known laws regarding sodomy, and so I see why a male character is tempting for creators. But I'd be happier to meet a lesbian ( ... )

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myxginxblossoms April 13 2011, 16:47:31 UTC

4. A glance at the (North) American West. The Old West is a subject I'm really interested in general, but I'm especially intrigued by what it must look like in a world where the story isn't going to be cowboys-n-Indians and where the Chinese presence will be much better documented by contemporary scholars. What themes will people in Temeraire's world associated with the West? Will the area even have a narrative the way it does in our world without manifest destiny to prop it up? We're a bit early by our timeline here in the real world (the term "manifest destiny" dates to the 1840s, iirc, and the Oregon Trail is established around the 1830s?), but there'd certainly be really interesting, exciting things happening there right now. So curious, so curious.

I just hope the changes don't include making it more steampunk, because there's nothing I find more tiresome than steampunk, ohgod.

5. Moar Tharkay. EVERYONE NEEDS MOAR THARKAY.

6. A plot that engages me. Chase plots, I really like, and thus I enjoyed ToS a lot. Military ( ... )

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angie_white April 14 2011, 11:35:32 UTC
Oh, I agree with you on wanting to hear dragon thoughts on orientation! That could be very interesting.

I was going to say cowboy-dragons, but that would probably be quite disastrous:P Actually, I would like for Laurence and Temeraire to go all around the world, because I want to hear about everything that's been changed.

And yes, MORE THARKAY TO THE PEOPLE!

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swordznsorcery April 14 2011, 14:07:13 UTC
Cowboy dragons could quite possibly be the Best Thing Ever!

Except for pirate dragons. Obviously. Or cowboy dinosaurs, but those are sadly unlikely, I feel.

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subtilior April 14 2011, 05:31:03 UTC
Oh boy oh boy oh boy - and girl! - :) I cannot WAIT for 'Crucible' !!

I really enjoy the steadfast trek into alternate history (yeah, I know, "real" history didn't have dragons - but you know what I mean!) esp w/ the badass Tswana SAILING TO RIO, omg. Thus, I am v. much looking forward to seeing the Inca, since Pizarro was apparently drop-kicked from Machu Picchu into the Pacific.

Also, a thriving Incan Empire? ... means Bling. OODLES OF BLING for Temeraire to ogle - it's going to be adorable!

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angie_white April 14 2011, 11:38:46 UTC
Me neither! *bounces up and down in excitement*

Oh, yes, Inca bling! It's a good thing this is not a fantasy world with magic, or the dragons would have to face the terrible temptation of cursed treasure:P

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swordznsorcery April 14 2011, 14:09:52 UTC
Oh lord. Iskierka hearing about the Cities of Gold. Poor Granby. :D

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