Transmissions from the Bunker: Roncevaux

Sep 15, 2007 17:48


For the first time I can remember, I feel solidarity with the French.  No, not today’s French, but the French of 1346.  It was around this time, 661 years ago, that the flower of French chivalry reached its high water mark as they thundered against the English lines at Crecy.  The battle was majestic; nobility against the changing norms of the ( Read more... )

chivalry, society, men, french

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fionnabhair_ii September 16 2007, 00:00:36 UTC
See, you had me until you mentioned women. Read over that code. Where does it mention special treatment for women? Why do men not think it's chivalrous to treat other men that way? Or, a chivalrous woman, perhaps. That's my beef with it- divided gender roles, and different treatment of a person based solely on their sex. How about another Franc, Joan of Arc? She was chivalrous. It's not just for men.

-Jenna

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th_last_bastion September 16 2007, 00:19:59 UTC
Jenna, when have I ever cared about how you think of gender roles? I mean, honestly, when? =P I see the world fundamentally differently than you, so really, it's not worth bothering a debate. Men have a way they ought to be in my worldview. You and I don't have the same worldview in this regard, so I think it'd be better in general if you had less beefs and took the good with the bad. Makes life nicer. If not, well, to quote John Wayne: I can't tell you how little I care. And Joan of Arc wasn't. She was just a mad German peasant girl that happened to command French armies in the age of chivalry. Doesn't make her chivalrous.

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angel_guardia May 12 2009, 03:54:06 UTC
To be completely honest, though he didn't know me at the time he wrote this, I've "glared" at guys for holding doors open for me. Though to be honest, it's more often the fact that they're trying to make me go through that door that has me glaring. Or when I get to the door first and try to hold it open for the guy, and he refuses to go through until I have - that also has me glaring.

On the other hand, if I have my arms/hands full, or if I'm injured or otherwise impaired, or even if I'm generally in a bad mood, it is nice to have someone - doesn't have to be a guy - hold open the door for me. For which I will genuinely thank them :)

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