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[the_royal_anna]

I've forgotten where, but recently I came across a vintage grammar guide that lamented the "modern trend for confusing 'love' with 'like'. I love my mother; I like strawberries. One cannot feel love for strawberries."

I can't help thinking that my entire journal is one long counter-example. :)

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[elisi]

I can't help thinking that my entire journal is one long counter-example. :)
Which is totally why I stalked and friended you! :)

Although I can't believe that Amy and Rory can continue travelling with the Doctor indefinitely in a state of domestic bliss.
Oh I don't think so either. But Amy did some growing up in this ep, and I think one day she'll probably want to have a 'normal' life - especially since she didn't have one growing up. ETA: This post!

[the_royal_anna]

Oh no! I thought I had replied to this, but obviously I only did it in my head. Sorry! Anyway, thank you so much for your lovely comment and for the link to that post, which is just exactly on the mark, isn't it?

[elisi]

but obviously I only did it in my head
*laughs* I'm flattered to be in your head. :)

(No real reason for replying, to be honest, except this popped into my inbox just this second as I sat down, and it was the loveliest surprise. Also I am writing/posting Buffy fic and am drowning in the hotness that is Spuffy. Mmmm.)

[kathyh]

I'm going to put it out there and say that there is one episode standing between Ashes to Ashes being a good show and a great one.

Yup. I've enjoyed the other two series but this last season has been terrific with so much wonderful character interaction that I'm torn between excitement and terror over the final episode. I think it's entirely the right decision to end it now though. Always leave your audience wanting more.

the read-through with both of them in reading glasses.

As a died in the wool men/glasses shipper that was definitely a highlight for me *g*.

We watched the ending of BSG recently and though I had some quibbles overall I liked the fact that it was a much more hopeful end than I was anticipating.

[the_royal_anna]

I think it's entirely the right decision to end it now though. Always leave your audience wanting more.

Yes, absolutely.

As a died in the wool men/glasses shipper that was definitely a highlight for me

I'm glad it isn't just me. :)

overall I liked the fact that it was a much more hopeful end than I was anticipating

Yes! And I think they were owed some hope.

[asta77]

I'm behind on 'Who' and 'Ashes', but I have a few things to say about BSG. ;) I could probably say more, but it's early and I will have to go to work shortly.

His face when he says about wanting to climb mountains may have been my favourite thing in the whole series

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! That, I'm sure you are not shocked to learn, is one of my favorite moments as well. In four seasons of BSG I NEVER saw Lee express pure joy until that moment. I was incredibly frustrated by the overwhelmingly number of people either lamenting or angry about Lee's horrible end. Not only was everyone he loved gone, but Lee was going to climb up a mountain and die alone. WHAT?! I don't know how we leap from 'I want to explore' to 'I'm going off to die alone like my dad'. I see it exactly as you do, he'll go climb those mountains and then come back. Lee has spent his entire life trying to be the good son, soldier and politician. He's always tried to fill a role he was expected to fill and live up to others expectations and, for the first time,

[the_royal_anna]

In four seasons of BSG I NEVER saw Lee express pure joy until that moment.

Yes! That's it exactly. And honestly, it would never have crossed my mind that it could be interpreted any other way than what you describe here. After all they'd been through, to see Lee come out it with so much hope intact, and the release of just being able to be alive, without having to fight to live, was a lovely moment.

And, in my head, he ends up with Sonja, the Six model who become the Cylon quorum delegate

I can definitely see the potential. :)

But Ron wanted a happier ending for the Agathon clan so Helo and Athena lived.I'm so glad. I can't help thinking Caprica and Baltar would have made terrible adoptive parents, whatever the visions might think

[asta77]

After all they'd been through, to see Lee come out it with so much hope intact, and the release of just being able to be alive, without having to fight to live, was a lovely moment.

And I don't think he was all that hopeful during the four seasons. A lot of fans complained about the decision to send the technology into the sun, but one of the first things that happened after landing on the planet was a discussion of where to a build a city. And who would have ended up doing most of the labor? My guess is the Centurions and thus the cycle starts over, again. Lee was doing the only thing he could think of to stop history from repeating itself and give them a chance at living. Maybe their lives would be short, but given the condition of the ships and dwindling supplies at least people had the chance to enjoy sun and fresh air and hope.

The only thing I am a bit confused about is whether the humanoid or the robotic Cylons came first. And Cylons per se were still created by humans initially - were they?Humanoid Cylons came first.

[the_royal_anna]

And who would have ended up doing most of the labor? My guess is the Centurions and thus the cycle starts over, again.

Yes, that's very true. I thought it was a brave and a right decision to lose the technology (although it amused me that Adama seemed to wangle his own private plane out of it ;)). One thing their experiences had taught them was the value of life itself, and I liked that they chose to embrace that and discard the trappings, if you like.

given the condition of the ships and dwindling supplies at least people had the chance to enjoy sun and fresh air and hope.

Yes, I agree, and that's beautifully put.

Humanoid Cylons came first. But who created the Thirteenth Tribe of humanoid Cylons we do not know. If He/She Who Doesn't Like To Be Called God created humans than we could assume they also created the Cylons.

Oh, thank you! That makes sense.

[butterfly]

I've forgotten where, but recently I came across a vintage grammar guide that lamented the "modern trend for confusing 'love' with 'like'. I love my mother; I like strawberries. One cannot feel love for strawberries."

Huh. I think that the person who wrote Ten Things I Hate About You may have read that guide.

[the_royal_anna]

Hee! Yes, I think you might be right. ;)

[nicole_anell]

What I do know is that the first time I smiled was Kara's "Follow me. Please" in episode three, and when fatal shootings are the light relief you are not exactly rolling around in merriment.
*cracks up* Oh, this show.

Honestly, it gets around, that paint.
Go watch this, haha.

In which case who created the final five? And are the final five and the thirteenth tribe one and the same?
I blame myself for never making my Cylons For Dummies post! The original Cylons were created thousands of years ago on Kobol and were able to reproduce. (The final five were not alive yet.) They were the 13th tribe who went to the original Earth. The final five were all born to Cylon parents on Earth, and the only ones who survived before it was destroyed.

I thought that what Tory was afraid of them finding out was that she'd frakked Baltar.
LMAO, that would've been kind of awesome.

I loved the resolution to Lee and Kara's story.
Yes!

His face when he says about wanting to climb mountains may have been my favourite thing in the whole series, and his

[asta77]

So they could try out both the Depressing Ending and the Happy Do-Over Ending in one series? :) Technically the first one was the "real" Earth of the scriptures that they'd been searching for, while the second one was a random planet they called Earth, on which we now live.

Hee! I assumed from the beginning that they'd end up on our earth and even the discovery of Nuked Earth V 1.0 didn't sway me from my belief. I even had to spend months arguing with people that that earth was not our earth and even Ron wouldn't create a scenario where *we* killed ourselves in the future and the fleet was all that was left of humanity and they'd be left wandering through space forever! But I digress. ;)

[the_royal_anna]

Go watch this, haha.

OMG!

I blame myself for never making my Cylons For Dummies post

Hee! Thank you so much. Your explanation definitely makes things clearer. I'm still a bit stuck on the chicken/egg thing - did the humanoid Cylons come before the robot ones, or vice versa? We were always being told that they evolved, but was that the truth?

I think I need Cylons for the Completely Clueless. ;)

YES! *clings to you* THAT MAKES THREE OF US NOW, I'M SO HAPPY.

YAY! For the shared mountain-face love. :)

So they could try out both the Depressing Ending and the Happy Do-Over Ending in one series?

As good a reason as any. :) And thank you, your explanation makes sense.