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The Art Of Writing Jacob/Esau

Jun 26, 2010 01:16

First and foremost, I have to thank tellshannon815 for inviting me to a lead discussion here again -- this time about yet another of my very favorite pairings, involving two of my very favorite characters: the almighty Jacob and his awesome brother, Smokey/Man In Black/Nameless Boy/Dr. Smoke/Esau. I’m going to mostly stick with Esau from here on out, though.

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character: jacob, shipping, character: esau, slash, the art of writing

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tellshannon815 June 28 2010, 22:25:35 UTC

1. I subscribed to the ship dynamic initially, but was a little put-off on discovering that they were blood related ( ... )

hitlikehammers July 1 2010, 17:32:27 UTC

1.) I've wondered how many people were put off by the official "brothers reveal," versus how many might have been more interested by the pairing as a result. Do you prefer to simply ignore the fact that they're brothers now, as you read/write, or do you find yourself avoiding the pairing more as a result (versus avoiding them due to the Sun/Jin issue you mentioned in Question #9?)

2.) The dead body was definitely a large part of my hang up on this particular issue, as well.

3.) Oh my; Richard/Smokey!Alex sounds crazy, and intriguing. Do it ;)

4.) There's something about the Titus-incarnation, I agree. I much prefer him, when I write and read Esau.

9.) Okay, so, question: if you don't think that Smoke Monster exactly = Esau, and it's the Smoke Monster that killed Sun and Jin -- if we took the blood-relatedness out of the equation, would you be okay with pre-crash Esau and Jacob (versus Esau/Jacob) fic? Or has Esau in general been "ruined" for you, to some extent, as a result of Lockelgänger's nefarious deeds?

10.) "...although ( ... )

tellshannon815 July 5 2010, 22:09:14 UTC

1. I don't really like incestuous pairings (can deal with Boone/Shannon because they're not blood-related, but when they are blood-related, then no) so I may well have avoided the pairing anyway. However, if someone requests that pairing in the luau, I might try it again.

3. Maybe when the luau's over, unless someone requests something that lends itself to that plot!

9. Perhaps rather than pre-crash, it might be easier to write pre-Mother's death, pre-transformation. I hadn't really thought about it recently, but I guess I'd be okay with that version of Esau.

10. Write it!

(1/3) devilsduplicity September 20 2010, 06:35:36 UTC

And here I come, slinking along, desperately late to the party. I'm the tail end straggler of a struggling group, the drunken teenager prodded awake by the janitor's broom handle at the end of senior prom.

First off, beautiful dissertation on this pairing. I found myself nodding along more often than not, and you brought up a lot of points I'd never considered before. The writing was marvelous enough to make even this, a veritable essay, an extremely satisfying read ( ... )

(2/3) devilsduplicity September 20 2010, 06:36:19 UTC

5) Once again, I'm fairly new to this fandom, so in regards to things like that, I'm not well-versed into the general reactions of Lost fandom itself. But, having come over from Supernatural, I can apply this to much the same idea.

In Supernatural, there was some speculation as to whether or not Sam Winchester was the antichrist. Fiction was written accordingly. And even though the show disproved that theory, I'm still fascinated by the idea of Boy King Sam, and would happily accept more fanfic about him.

Put in Lost terms, I would gladly explore stories from both before and after this episode. I love fan speculation on the origin of characters, and I think the creativity of any fandom can flourish under these kinds of conditions. On the other end of the spectrum, I also adore the canon story that Lost brought into play for these two characters, so I'd certainly take that, as well.

6) God, I'm such a child at this. I've not read enough to form a strong opinion, but I'll tell you the idea I'm most attracted to, and that is the 'I ( ... )

(3/3) devilsduplicity September 20 2010, 06:36:45 UTC

10) ………. I didn't even think about this. Brb, hyperventilating.

Back.

Well. It only ends once. The rest is just progress.

But progress always needs a start.

I think Lost is a video game. Jacob and Esau are the twelve-year-olds who keep hitting 'reset'.

11) I'm working up writing a real-sized fanfic of these boys, and as with Supernatural fandom, I tend to lean towards humorous elements. Something light. Something fluffy. I think there is so much angst generated by these two that a level of playfulness will definitely be my starting point. But, once again, the sheer potential of this pairing makes way for so many wonderful ideas that, really, it's just a matter of where they'll lead me.

12)Jacob = the bad kid turned good ( ... )

Re: (3/3) hitlikehammers September 20 2010, 13:58:37 UTC

10.) I think Lost is a video game. Jacob and Esau are the twelve-year-olds who keep hitting 'reset'.

Yes. PLEASE.

11.) I think another really appealing aspect of these two is their versatility. I'm writing dark humor with them now (and crossing them with Heroes and Doctor Who fandom while I'm at it, but that's another story ;) ), and I'd like to think it works for them just as well as fluff or angst or smut.

12.) Lost's strictly-dichotomous viewpoints are at times rather stifling, aren't they? Thank goodness for fandom, where we can tell said stiflers to go away ;)

13.) Have you ever seen the film The Nines? Your rating system (which is awesome, by the way, particularly when one = Leslie) totally made me think of it ( ... )

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