On second thought, I apologize for that previous comment, which was kind of hugely terrible of me. I'm sorry about that, bb. I'm just ... kind of sore about CA:CW and how the fandom split down the middle and how nasty many people have been about it. (I wrote a story about Laura Barton and Tony Stark called "House and Home", and you can see the flames Team Iron left on it.) One day when I'm sensible we can have a fun discussion about it, but right now I'm not.
Honestly, this isn't my fandom. I don't read the fic, don't follow the debates, haven't checked my Tumblr in months. This is just my reaction to the movie as a relative outsider, with nothing at stake. One of my big problems with superhero movies (and most action movies, really) is the collateral damage that the supposed good guys usually just hand-wave. I appreciated the fact that, for once, it wasn't hand-waved, even if the Accords were basically just a dumb way to get a bunch of special effects onto the screen.
Yeah, I'm sorry I freaked out at you. I wasn't having a good night. This was my fandom (because of the fallout from the movie, I feel like I'm not welcome in it anymore) and I have a lot of Feeelings I shouldn't have spewed forth.
When I'm being rational I can say that I liked the discussion of collateral damage too.
In another comment I saw you're feeling better, which is good. I was going to try to figure out how to email you some chicken soup. :)
I woke up this morning and could breathe through both nostrils! Definitely an improvement. My co-workers still won't let me come in. Which is fine - I can do most of my work from home - except I miss human interaction.
And no, it's fine. *hug* I saw your comment after waking up from like 10 hours of drugged sleep, so I was in a pretty good place, brain-wise. I'd love to chat fandom with you in person sometime.
Team Cap and Team Iron actually seemed arbitrary to me -- sad woman by the elevator or not, Tony doesn't trust the government even when he's working for it, whereas Steve has faith in America As An Institution even when shit like Hydra infiltrating SHIELD goes on. Without the gimmick of Steve's best friend personally targeted (with what I have to admit is good reason if you're anyone but Steve -- we have no reason to believe Bucky won't become a switched-on killer again and every reason to believe he will), I'd expect Steve to be the one supporting the larger institutions rather than a tiny team of exceptionals, and Tony to be on the other side (especially if any of them are in touch with Bruce, who as Natasha says would run way the hell away from the Accords
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I'm not saying the movie didn't have huge problems! Just my observation as a fandom outsider. The whole collateral damage thing always bothers me, and it was nice to see it not get hand-waved, for once. (I understand that's the basic premise of Superman vs. Batman, but I have no interest in watching that, except for the Wonder Woman scenes, maybe.)
Yeah, that was my impression too - it just seemed too neat. Like, how did this happen? Did they start with ghettos, or what? Did they just march into places and be like, "Hand over your Jews and other minorities!" And the white people were like, "Here you go!"? Were people more like the Poles or more like the Danes? Did anyone risk their lives to hide people, or smuggle children or the neutral zone, or what? I want to know! I don't like that this is glossed over. Not to mention the atrocities the Japanese committed against the Chinese and Koreans during WWII. Did they just stop after they won? Or what?
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*hugs you healingly*
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Honestly, this isn't my fandom. I don't read the fic, don't follow the debates, haven't checked my Tumblr in months. This is just my reaction to the movie as a relative outsider, with nothing at stake. One of my big problems with superhero movies (and most action movies, really) is the collateral damage that the supposed good guys usually just hand-wave. I appreciated the fact that, for once, it wasn't hand-waved, even if the Accords were basically just a dumb way to get a bunch of special effects onto the screen.
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When I'm being rational I can say that I liked the discussion of collateral damage too.
In another comment I saw you're feeling better, which is good. I was going to try to figure out how to email you some chicken soup. :)
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And no, it's fine. *hug* I saw your comment after waking up from like 10 hours of drugged sleep, so I was in a pretty good place, brain-wise. I'd love to chat fandom with you in person sometime.
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Yeah, that was my impression too - it just seemed too neat. Like, how did this happen? Did they start with ghettos, or what? Did they just march into places and be like, "Hand over your Jews and other minorities!" And the white people were like, "Here you go!"? Were people more like the Poles or more like the Danes? Did anyone risk their lives to hide people, or smuggle children or the neutral zone, or what? I want to know! I don't like that this is glossed over. Not to mention the atrocities the Japanese committed against the Chinese and Koreans during WWII. Did they just stop after they won? Or what?
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