"I oppose the introduction of gender into any value system. We're all equal, having different values for each gender is an antiquated idea." High five! We must have been composing our posts at the same time. Matt and I were talking about the "sanctity of marriage" entry and we interpret it as concerning external parties rather than the individuals involved. If someone has married e.g. made an oath, that must not be violated, derided, impinged, or even approached. "Respecting others' oaths" would be a better phrasing.
"Speaking of which... "sanctity of marriage"? F that. The way it is currently defined in this society, I want nothing to do with it. Maybe I could sign up for "the sanctity of civil unions" ;-)"
Annie and I were discussing this earlier. Maybe this one could be read as "you know he/she is in a relationship, respect that and hands off" or "respect the relationship (if you're in one) and speak kindly to your significant other and respect them"?
I think there is a lot on this list that is praise worthy and can be supported directly from the lore.
I think we do need to think about the context that our ancestors viewed the world even if some of these ideas are outdated. And I know you agree with that statement and concept as well.
Since the list does sum up many of our ancestors ideals I think the list can be taken seriously despite points of contention you made find with it.
#14 first. WTF? "Forbearing of kin"? Forbear as a verb means to refrain or cease, and forebear as a noun is an ancestor. As a gerund in this case they literally mean "ceasing of kin" which I'm sure is opposite of what they meant. Poor grammar aside
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I'm appending some constructivity to that rather critical post :) I think the spirit of #14 should be better emphasized as "To live a productive life is praiseworthy" or something similar, in addition to nuturing and protection of kin. Productivity means making your life worth something, and it includes but certainly doesn't only mean reproduction. #29 would be better expressed as "Nonviolence and respectful conduct is praiseworthy", which may be a little redundant within this list. Certainly this list is better than most, though.
I took number 14 as forbearance of kin not forbearing and in that light I agree with it. That you should have patient endurance of your kin. In other words don't fly off the handle at the slightest provocation and be nurturing caring and protective.
If you look at the rest of the sentence and take the contest into account, I think that is what they meant.
Reproduction has nothing to do with point # 14 in my opinion.
for⋅bear⋅ance /fɔrˈbɛərəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fawr-bair-uhns] Show IPA Pronunciation -noun 1. the act of forbearing; a refraining from something. 2. forbearing conduct or quality; patient endurance; self-control. 3. an abstaining from the enforcement of a right. 4. a creditor's giving of indulgence after the day originally fixed for payment.
Personally I think regardless of whether or not these 30 praiseworthy (actions?) are supported in our Lore I think it is safe to say that any philosophies that men or deity offers with the intension of giving people a guide to be a better person is a philosophy worth at least taking a look at.
But in reference to 29, is it not also praiseworthy for woman not to strike man? Or for anyone not to strike anyone in interest of frith?
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Matt and I were talking about the "sanctity of marriage" entry and we interpret it as concerning external parties rather than the individuals involved. If someone has married e.g. made an oath, that must not be violated, derided, impinged, or even approached. "Respecting others' oaths" would be a better phrasing.
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Annie and I were discussing this earlier. Maybe this one could be read as "you know he/she is in a relationship, respect that and hands off" or "respect the relationship (if you're in one) and speak kindly to your significant other and respect them"?
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I think we do need to think about the context that our ancestors viewed the world even if some of these ideas are outdated. And I know you agree with that statement and concept as well.
Since the list does sum up many of our ancestors ideals I think the list can be taken seriously despite points of contention you made find with it.
Thanks for the input! :)
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#14 first. WTF? "Forbearing of kin"? Forbear as a verb means to refrain or cease, and forebear as a noun is an ancestor. As a gerund in this case they literally mean "ceasing of kin" which I'm sure is opposite of what they meant. Poor grammar aside ( ... )
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I think the spirit of #14 should be better emphasized as "To live a productive life is praiseworthy" or something similar, in addition to nuturing and protection of kin. Productivity means making your life worth something, and it includes but certainly doesn't only mean reproduction. #29 would be better expressed as "Nonviolence and respectful conduct is praiseworthy", which may be a little redundant within this list.
Certainly this list is better than most, though.
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If you look at the rest of the sentence and take the contest into account, I think that is what they meant.
Reproduction has nothing to do with point # 14 in my opinion.
for⋅bear⋅ance
/fɔrˈbɛərəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fawr-bair-uhns] Show IPA Pronunciation
-noun
1. the act of forbearing; a refraining from something.
2. forbearing conduct or quality; patient endurance; self-control.
3. an abstaining from the enforcement of a right.
4. a creditor's giving of indulgence after the day originally fixed for payment.
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But in reference to 29, is it not also praiseworthy for woman not to strike man? Or for anyone not to strike anyone in interest of frith?
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