Christmas

[tirwolf]

I recently answered a post in cherrybomb23z's journal. It may not jive with a bunch of you but I am willing to take that chance & I did mis-quote history in the entry. Sorry for that. Shortly after WWI a movement was started to remove all religion from the major countries of the world. Any relationship to Christianity had to hidden or it would've been destroyed

Comments

[nekojita]

Well, as a person who's taught classes on American presidents.. you have some points there. However, I think it's highly debatable just how much the 'founding fathers' meant for religion to be involved in this country, and that for several of them, their definition of 'christianity' is very different than what the mainstream - or worse, right wing which seem to be the ones mainly in charge - christians today believe.

[tirwolf]

There isn't any doubt that the founding fathers had a very different view of what any of it was about. Hey, look at the Vatican & there many crusades. Not exactly one of their better moments in history. Things have come a long way since those days though. I just hate to see it go backwards again from the other extreme. (And, no, I'm not some crazy activist) If freedom of religion really is what some of our rights are based on, then why can't those that wish to continue to practice the christian ethic do so w/o ending up in a courtroom because they said, "Merry Christmas" instead of, "Have a Happy Holiday"? It's pathetic

[fieryredqueen]

i think i see your point--i was watching a news clip, not too long ago, about how people wanted shops and other non-spiritual entities to stop writing "Merry Christmas" because it's 'imposing christianity on everyone.' i can understand what they mean, but once you start doing things like that, it just starts to get ridiculous and eventually gets to be a form of persecution. should we protest Xmas being a national holiday? should we remove all the words and phrases in our language that have christian origins or connotations? it's both silly and scary. heh, i always thought the X was just shorthand for the Christ, the cross.

[tirwolf]

Interesting. I know that you aren't the only person who believed that. There was a lecture given by a Methodist minister at a local church back in the late '80's. He spoke of a movement (Unitarian?..not sure & don't want to get down on such churches as I've been to them & while diff. are anything but atheistic..is that a word?) that was quietly pushing to remove all christian tradition from the US. Here we are 20+ yrs. later & it's happening. My dad spent most of his life researching religion & history. I was his supplier of unusual & out of print books as an adult & the one he lectured to/at from about age 10. I grew up w/ a very diff. view of world history & events than most kids. Made history classes difficult...