the doctor and (mommy) daddy issues

[tlr3]

i'm not sure whether this is so obvious that someone will have thought of it already, or so crazy that it won't make sense. so. . .

proposition: since _rose_, the relationship between the doctor and his female companion has been mirrored in the relationship between the companion's mother and the companion's father.

more specifically, how the

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[boji]

What struck me most about the season finale was that I saw the Doctor as paternal towards the Master where the interwebs saw slash. But then I always saw Rose as child-like in relation to the Doctor and nowhere near his equal.

So, yes I do see a strong paternal streak in him with his companions aside from the now immortal Jack who has the life experience to be equal.

[tlr3]

now that you mention it, there's a strong paternal dynamic going on with the doctor and the master. "it's good, isn't it? isn't it good?"

i think that the way he says "so sorry" (whenever he does) sounds pretty paternal, too, thinking about it. ..

[nastally]

You know what, it's funny you should say that, because I saw the same thing. The paternal streak - (the hugging, 'I forgive you') - but at the same time, exactly that made me see the slash even more. Because it deepened their whole relationship in my eyes, and also because this kind of 'caring' so is part of romantic relationships. It was weird. ... And now I feel like I couldn't explain it properly. Oh well.

To the OP: Interesting thoughts! I hadn't actually noticed what you pointed out. Hmm, I'll have to think about that for a bit.

[tlr3]

To the OP: Interesting thoughts! I hadn't actually noticed what you pointed out. Hmm, I'll have to think about that for a bit.

please do think about it. am i totally off track, or have i discovered one of the dramatic sekrets of RTD?

[lucadrina]

Freud would have a field day with this show LOL

[tlr3]

always bring a banana to a party, rose. . . bananas are good!

[qtrhorserider]

I think you have some good observations

[doyle_sb4]

I think you have some good observations.

In the opening to "Father's Day" Rose gives Pete's birth year as 1953. That makes him 5 years older than me. When Jackie was 40, I was 48 thus Pete would have been 53, which is consistent with the amount of time it would have taken in his adult life to build a company that size. That makes him 13 years older than Jackie, older man, see where I'm going?

Oh, that's interesting! And since Jackie's 40 in January 2007 as per Rise of the Cybermen she would have been about 19 when she married Pete. (Of course, this is assuming the Father's Day maths gets everyone else right, considering it has Rose as 17 years old)

[vampadvocate]

In Jackie's case RTD also allowed an older woman to have a libido - the look that passes between the Doctor and Mickey in reaction to her declaration to alt Pete "there's been no one since you" that says "oh yeah?". We also see in "Love and Monsters" that Jackie is partly so interested in male companionship because she's lonely and misses having a partner as well as someone to sleep with which is actually quite a sensitive treatment of a middle aged woman who's been left on her own - although Jackie's experience in particular is unusual she stands for more ordinary single mums whose children have flown the nest.

[tlr3]

i suppose some folks might argue that it's not so nice that her libido is the source of jokes?

(i'm not sure i would argue it, but i'm trying to figure out why that's not usually brought out as a positive about RTD's writing of over 30 women.)