Oh NOW I'm pissed!

Jul 16, 2008 08:15

HHS Moves to Define Contraception as AbortionOkay....so I generally stay away from discussions like this ( Read more... )

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anivair July 16 2008, 12:33:04 UTC
Sadly, with fundie conservatives in office, that line doesn't exist any more. Can we start requiring a minimum IQ for the presidency, please?

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anivair July 16 2008, 12:56:51 UTC
The fact that Bush has betrayed his own ludicrous religious beliefs and the religious right doesn't mean that he hasn't spent the rest of his administration setting up a theocracy.

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mesmerix July 16 2008, 15:01:09 UTC
I think my beliefs are the same as yours. I believe that life starts at conception, and I'm personally anti-abortion, but I don't believe it's right for me to impose my beliefs on others... so I generally go Pro-Choice. Realistically speaking as well, the alternative of making abortion illegal has appalling consequences.

Anyways, I just wanted to say that the issue with contraceptive pills is likely because taking them can cause an abortion if you are pregnant as well. Like, if you're on the pill, and you get that 1% chance of being knocked up, and you keep taking the pill because you don't know you're knocked up (how would you notice anyways?), the fetus will likely self-abort as the pill will cause mutation and/or degradation of the fetal cells, thereby your body will attempt to terminate your pregnancy.

So while unlikely, the pill can kill post-preggo.

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anivair July 16 2008, 15:04:09 UTC
that's a fine reason to make a LOT of things the same as abortion. Tons of medicine has that side effect. So does smoking. So does eating too much tuna while pregnant.

really, it's just a poor attempt at creating a loophole so that religious organizations can get their hot tax break and still legislate morality over their employees.

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mesmerix July 16 2008, 15:10:48 UTC
I didn't say I agreed with it man. Hell, I take the pill. The pill is MY FRIEND!

I was just trying to give some perspective as to why conservatives may have an issue with birth control and put it on a similar playing field as abortion.

As an aside, are you serious? Does eating too much tuna while pregnant cause a self-abort? Shoot... I loves me some tunafish sammich...

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sadslacker July 16 2008, 15:30:08 UTC
No it doesn't but certain kinds of tuna (albacore, Yellowfin) for example are large, long living fishes at the top of the food chain. They absorb a lot of mercury and are a bad idea to eat while pregnant. The mercury can interfere with the development of fetal nervous tissue.

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Random thoughts corbydreamer July 16 2008, 15:08:18 UTC
wtf yo...In all actuality, this could have been seen coming after 9/11 and the Patriot Act. All they need is suspicion of terrorist activities to get a wiretap now, even if they have no proof. Without proof, you can be accused and labeled an enemy combatant, who have no civil rights under US law, and as they are not Prisoners of War, they aren't governed by the Geneva Conventions either. These are also the people from the same government trying to ban any firearm ownership as they believe, however wrongly, that it will reduce crime when it will do just the opposite as at that point, only criminals will have weapons ( ... )

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themaidmarian July 16 2008, 15:38:56 UTC
I swear I am moving the fuck out of this country. This is out of control.

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heathenhulagirl July 16 2008, 15:49:18 UTC
Honestly, I think that women's rights have shriveled to such a point very few even are going to bother to fight this. Sad as it is to say.( I of course will fight it a hundred percent) Look at how bad things have gone from the point that we have had our C.I.C. in office. Frankly he's been a nasty asshole niggling away at things from point one. I'm not surprise. Angry, but not surprised. And you know the closer they get to going out of office the harder they try to push their agendas along.

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gurgi July 16 2008, 17:54:00 UTC
Frankly he's been a nasty asshole niggling away at things from point one.

The irony, it is thick...

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cloud_buster July 16 2008, 18:08:14 UTC
The myopic lack of perspective of the average feminist, living in one of the most free societies and the most respectful and enabling of women, ever to exist in the history of humanity, is staggering.

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anivair July 16 2008, 18:48:46 UTC
Sometimes, but it blows my mind that you're surprised when feminists get mad that the rights that they fought for are being eroded.

The reason that we do live in one of the freest and more female friendly nations in the world (and that's sort of a misnomer because all that means is we're in the top 20 or so) is because women fought for those rights and because they stand up and take notice when those rights are screwed with.

I'd be just as upset about my right to free speech, even if after losing it I still lived in one of the freest nations in the world. because that's how you lose rights. One at a time.

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