I disagree about Buffy, though. No, she didn't intentionally start an apocalypse or put Giles in a position to get killed by Angel. But she wasn't an innocent, either. She had just found out that 200 of her slayers were slaughtered. Angel comes swooping in and she forgives him in three seconds. She knows there's a glow. An unholy glow. She knows the last time she had sex with Angel that very bad things happened and Ms. Calender died. She chose to do that. Will she take on too much guilt? Yes. But, see. I think that's a dodge. If you take on too much guilt, you're not being serous about what you should be serious about. It's hard to explain. Basically it's just another way of not being honest with herself. I hope this time she can find a place to be honest with herself.
Okay, re-reading what I wrote I do give the impression that Buffy is completely without blame. And I don't really man that. I'll edit and rectify that. It is tricky to explain. I suppose i don't see it as 'deserved cosmic vengence'. Giles dying is a consequence of her choices and Buffy will have to live with this, and that will be incredibly hard. I suppose it all works in with the idea that Buffy betrayed herself.
I think the problem with Buffy saying that it's cosmic vengeance against her is that it's not. It's not cosmic vengeance (Except I suppose in purely literal terms if we think Miss Kitty is cosmological). What's happened is that a string of poor choices reached a result. It's not vengance, it's cause and effect. By calling it cosmic vengeance it leaves it open to interpretation that maybe the universe was just out to get her and there's no fault of her own, not really. The world is just unfair.
There was a scene in Minority Report where it spoke about prognostication and they pointed out that it's not prognostication to say that if you throw a ball up in the air that it must come down. That's cause and effect
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Sorry that I was so late in having a chance to read your listing of "theories" and "reasons" - enjoyed reading them.
Regarding Buffy and her choices - they could not have put Buffy in a more negative light regarding her choice to go with the "sweet talk" of Angel. The writers may have played the "out card" by using the "glo" as the potential escape/clean up - but their timing and text make it very hard to not see her in a very negative light. This entire series, and especially from the Brad Meltzer arc on, makes it very easy to develop a big dislike or disappointment in her character. Angel/Angelus/Twangel - who he heck know what the intent is - most so many fans like myself, he has become so hateful that many could care less what happens to him now.
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I disagree about Buffy, though. No, she didn't intentionally start an apocalypse or put Giles in a position to get killed by Angel. But she wasn't an innocent, either. She had just found out that 200 of her slayers were slaughtered. Angel comes swooping in and she forgives him in three seconds. She knows there's a glow. An unholy glow. She knows the last time she had sex with Angel that very bad things happened and Ms. Calender died. She chose to do that. Will she take on too much guilt? Yes. But, see. I think that's a dodge. If you take on too much guilt, you're not being serous about what you should be serious about. It's hard to explain. Basically it's just another way of not being honest with herself. I hope this time she can find a place to be honest with herself.
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There was a scene in Minority Report where it spoke about prognostication and they pointed out that it's not prognostication to say that if you throw a ball up in the air that it must come down. That's cause and effect ( ... )
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Big Yes to this!
"I don't think she's free of guilt or that she deserves to be. It's not all her fault. But she did her part in contributing to it."
And to this too :)
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Regarding Buffy and her choices - they could not have put Buffy in a more negative light regarding her choice to go with the "sweet talk" of Angel. The writers may have played the "out card" by using the "glo" as the potential escape/clean up - but their timing and text make it very hard to not see her in a very negative light. This entire series, and especially from the Brad Meltzer arc on, makes it very easy to develop a big dislike or disappointment in her character. Angel/Angelus/Twangel - who he heck know what the intent is - most so many fans like myself, he has become so hateful that many could care less what happens to him now.
Best Wishes to you for this new year -
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