Comments | uneedak1u: Onward, Christian soldiers ... [YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS MOVIE]

uneedak1u

Onward, Christian soldiers ... [YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS MOVIE]

Feb 11, 2007 00:34

I am seriously, profoundly and breath-takingly disturbed right now. zjman and I just finished watching Jesus Camp. We've been meaning to see it since it came out in theatres, but we didn't get there, so we decided to bring it with us on our mini-vacation. This is a movie that follows an Evangelical pastor, Becky Fischer, on her mission to bring a new ( Read more... )

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lsaboe February 11 2007, 16:15:53 UTC

this is very sad and scary. i once knew a woman who had made the statement that christians are routinely persecuted (this was on a politics discussion list). when another poster said, "i'm a christian and i've never been persecuted," she answered, "then you're the wrong kind of christian."

uneedak1u February 11 2007, 21:02:56 UTC

That really saddens me. Somehow, I can't imagine that Jesus is looking down from wherever he sits and saying, "Hey, this is GREAT - a nation of Christian warriors!"

As I recall, he told the Apostles to stick to fishing when they tried to keep HIM from being taken by the Romans. So somehow, it doesn't follow that the path he'd have his chosen follow is one of violence and persecution.

brni February 11 2007, 19:40:37 UTC

i agree w/ you wholeheartedly, except for 1 thing:

First of all, NO ONE under 18 should be involved in any kind of abortion protest.

just because people are young doesn't mean that they aren't thinking people capable of making up their minds and pursuing a cause. in PA, people can get married (and have legal/consentual sex) as young as 13, but aren't allowed to vote until they are 18? allowed to join the military (or some neo-military thing) as young as 16, but can't drink alcohol until they're 21? makes no sense.

kids should be encouraged to be part of the political process at a young age. (i'm not suggesting that the kind of brainwashing that is done is right, or that it should be part of the political process). kids need to be encouraged to think critically and get involved, not prevented from getting involved.

uneedak1u February 11 2007, 20:59:57 UTC

kids need to be encouraged to think critically and get involved, not prevented from getting involved.

You're absolutely right, of course - I realized after I posted this that I complete misstated my feelings regarding that issue (probably didn't help that I'd been typing for about an hour at that point).

I think my biggest problem with the protest portion is that for these kids in particular, they're NOT being encouraged to think critically. In fact, they're not being encouraged to think at all. They're being encouraged to follow.

Example: at one point, one of the pastors praises a little girl in front of the whole group for being "obedient." It made me want to vomit.

So I guess it amounts to this: if you ask them, of course they'll tell you that they choose to do this. But again, it's (to me) an issue of them not even knowing that other choices exist, let alone being allowed to explore them.

brni February 11 2007, 21:30:12 UTC

you see, god gave us these brain things to tempt us.

he gave us other things to tempt us too.

he leads us to temptation, laughs as we fall, then gets angry and has his lackeys spank us if we don't come crawling back to him.

ya gotta love him.

nettikdimit February 12 2007, 03:00:26 UTC

Hello and welcome to Texas. I see so much of that crap here. It's one of the many reasons I want to high-tail it out of this state.

uneedak1u February 12 2007, 04:23:33 UTC

After watching that movie, I totally understand your feelings.

oblivion1970 February 12 2007, 06:13:52 UTC

1. 43% of Evangelical Christians are "born again" before the age of 13.

P.T. Barnum said it best - there's one born every minute.

2. 75% of the home-schooled children in the US are Evangelical Christians

Met a homeschooled kid at the Christian singles' group. She was nine. She could barely read or write. But she could quote the Bible like nobody's business.

"We need to make sure our nation has a core belief." - on the Evangelical movement's goal for America.

Yeah, it's called "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

We have a very serious situation coming about in this country. If you didn't see it during both of the Bush elections, it's not necessarily because you weren't looking. This has been in the works for many, many years, but because of where we are geographically (for my circle of IRL friends), we've been somewhat insulated from it. But it has finally gained enough support that it became a groundswell, and then a wave, and now aspires to be a storm of Noah-esque proportions to wipe the sin from the world. Kinda ( ... )

uneedak1u February 12 2007, 14:18:45 UTC

The liberal end of the political spectrum has enough of a foothold to prevent such a thing from happening. It has a very loud voice and it won't let something like this slide without causing a massive shitstorm in the media and any other outlet it can blow the whistle at.

The media can say whatever it wants, but that's not going to change much. This group of people is informing and deciding policy - without even considering themselves to be political ( ... )