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thesandsabrase September 28 2006, 05:01:38 UTC
I feel that about must religions I have dealt with.

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tyrell September 28 2006, 07:14:16 UTC
The other reason they don't stay faithful to it is because it no longer has mysterious hidden depths.

On the other hand, I agree with him about Christianity just being unpleasant.

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unnamed525 September 28 2006, 15:08:11 UTC
Pagan religions aren't too pleasant, either: druidic human sacrifices, and that on a massive scale with the Aztec's, basically.

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tyrell September 28 2006, 17:36:09 UTC
Oh, no argument here. Although I'm not sure it was that frequent... the majority seem to be either self-sacrifice of failed warriors (similar to seppuku) or a sacrifice to bless the opening of a new building (which is hardly unique - several Cathedrals have dead cats and other animals in the cornerstones).

But yes, paganism (as opposed to neo-paganism) certainly included all kinds of sacrifices. As far as the quote goes, I think it didn't pretend to hide the nasty stuff in the depths, and so less people were surprised when they brought it to the light.

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eididdy September 28 2006, 10:38:15 UTC
You should go with Kaufmann as a translator rather than Hollingdale.

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Re: ? eididdy September 28 2006, 15:38:06 UTC
Not sure what that link was supposed to be a response to.

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Re: ? unnamed525 September 28 2006, 15:39:13 UTC
Do you think it's a workable translation?

Actually, I should just get out Kauffman out of the library if they have him.

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ambiance_zebra September 28 2006, 14:11:37 UTC
I don't usually agree with Nietzsche, but that's true.

I'm not saying that I am the deepest thinker in the world, but I always seem to see the faults with the things I advocate. I think the inconsistencies become more glaring when you mull it over a lot.

It's a good reason not to believe anything, actually...

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unnamed525 September 28 2006, 15:15:10 UTC
... or at least to not worry about inconsistencies so much.

What you believe ultimately only really matters, and I'd say only really shows itself, when you have to act upon what you believe; I agree with William James that a belief is something upon which one is willing to act. This justifies non-evidentialist beliefs, logically, while they're justified empirically, I think, by confidence levels being positively correlated with performance; if you believe you'll do well, you're apparently more likely to do well.

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uberreiniger September 29 2006, 01:58:20 UTC
Most people never reach the depth of understanding in the first place. Thus the theory is seldom put to the test.

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