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[unomonomalo]

Quick Questions on Politics

(Note: I'm not trying to stir controversy here - I'm genuinely asking these questions)

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Is Obama wrong with his comments? I get that the wording is wrong - but is the sentiment, the facts of the situation wrong? Set aside the audience - which is the biggest issue, just watch - and look at the content of the

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I'll bite...

[abnormal_apathy]

Here's my take

Re: I'll bite...

[unomonomalo]

I agree with most of what you say - big surprise.

On the 3rd point, the only thing I'd say (and I agree with your thinking), is that I sort of think that you have to look at what he's trying to do. Regardless of his voting record, since there isn't much there, look at what he's trying to do. He's making a sincere - or at least as sincere as we've seen in YEARS - attempt to run on change. On shifting things toward a more positive path.

I think that counts for something. At least as much as an absent voting record.

Re: I'll bite...

[abnormal_apathy]

Well, his attempt to run on "change" is why he has so much support. A lot of people are tired of the status quo. That's one of my problems with Hil (see my comment in your more recent post ;) )...she's just more of the same.

[computerblonde]

One.

Sadly, Obama showed how Chicagofied he is. Being in IL and woo'd by him when he came to our small towns begging for the small town support i feel slapped in the face.

The area I live around isn't bitter. There ARE people all over in cities and small towns that cling to religion and guns.. But throwing that at a different generation is a hiccup he's going to have a hard time to recover from me. I was actually leaning towards him, but not now.

Two:

Obama lives in the world of being represented as the "elite" while his wife and himself has bad mouthed the middle and upper class. I think the blue collar doesn't fock to Obama for he SAYS he represents them, but woos the elite.

Three:

I don't have an answer, for I don't get it myself.

[abnormal_apathy]

"I think the blue collar doesn't fock to Obama for he SAYS he represents them, but woos the elite"

Not to pick a fight or anything, but don't they all? Eventually they all cave to corporate pressure, lobbyists, and the call of the almighty dollar. I'd rather start with someone who has a little more to fall in the hopes that they won't reach the bottom before they leave the White House.

How can anyone say that Hil and Bil don't pander to the elite when they ARE the elite?

[wdomburg]

1) More than anything I think his comments betray a certain Marxist bent in his thinking, particularly when taken in tandem with his race speech: "Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race... They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor. They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense. So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time

[anonymous]

Yo, Nick. 'tis Michelle. Too lazy to log in, so here I am being all anonymous. Woo