FREE-FOR-ALL META COMMENT-A-THON

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Old news: lj is dead. Everyone is crazy busy, or they have other reasons not to be here. No one has time to read those huge meta posts we used to write once upon a time. But maybe we can all find ten minutes to do this:

FREE-FOR-ALL META COMMENT-A-THON!

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[haleysings]

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My boyfriend had an interesting observation when we were watching the show together (it was my...IDK, 5th or 6th time through, his 1st).

After we'd finished episode 24, I think it was, he pulled out a paper plate to doodle on--he drew a stick figure of Rue and Mytho, and two hearts, and colored in half of each heart with black. He then said that he felt like Mytho and Rue were perfect for each other because they literally completed each other--both of them had raven's blood "tainting" their hearts, but that meant that they could genuinely understand the other's pain, and together they had a full, complete, "pure" heart. I think that's a pretty good explanation for why Mytho and Rue are really a good match for each other

[haleysings]

It's also my personal theory that Mytho had ALREADY chosen Rue, even if he didn't realize it. A lot of his heartshards make people hyper-focused on Rue--Anteaterina and Malen both become obsessed with Rue in different ways, the heartshard of Curiosity constantly asks Rue questions about herself, and if you watch the season finale, Mytho's heartshard of love picks Rue first--it does later reject her, possibly because in that moment, Rue--or rather, Kraehe's?--love for Mytho is much more self-centered and forceful, and Tutu's much more giving and gentle. But there's no denying that when first prompted to choose, Mytho's feelings of love are drawn to Rue, first and foremost. So I don't think that he necessarily chose Rue in that moment, after hearing her feelings for him. I think he'd always been drawn to Rue--it was just her confession, and having his heart (mostly) completed, that allowed him to fully realize those feelings for her

[haleysings]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! Princess Tutu is such a great show for meta.

I think for the scene you're talking about I took it as slightly less rape-y since I think Rue might be clothed in that scene (I think she might be in her Kraehe outfit, but it blends in quite a bit because of all the raven feathers around). This one right? Or, wait, this scene? I nearly forgot there were two like this! (Oh, and my apologies for dub clips, that's just the easiest way I know to link to episodes

[aristatide]

A great deal of the focus of Princess Tutu is transcending the story. In the story, one accepts the 'good' princess's love for the prince and their eventually union as basic fact, never questioning deeper motivations: the 'evil' princess will be vanquished, the true-love-at-first-sight will live happily ever after. But as things progressed, while Ahiru always cared about Mytho, she began increasingly to question if the true depth of her feelings was her own or imposed, and even if they weren't imposed, were they really strong enough or just a story she was telling herself? Her accepting Krahe and Mytho is her accepting that yes, those feelings were fairy-tail feelings, not her real and lasting desires: her desire to help Mytho and see him happy was the true her, and for him that clearly now meant Rue.

Consider, also, that Tutu did not actually win the dance-off in the underground lake. The feeling of love responded most strongly to Krahe--the prince who could never bear to see anything in pain responded to Tutu's suffering.

[tomoyoichijouji]

I don't think that Ahiru accepting Rue and Mytho being together is necessarily discrediting or dismissing her own feelings as somehow 'less real' or 'less true'. To me, it's much more that Ahiru wanted Mytho to be happy with the one he loved, whether it was herself or someone else. It makes her sad that her feelings with Mytho are ultimately unrequited, but a more universal love, that simply wishes for his wellbeing, opposes any measure of trying to supplant her happiness with Mytho's or Rue's by trying to get between them. It's a kind of love Rue found herself ill capable of during the series because she was raised to be so insecure and hurt on the inside. (I like to hope that she does learn that after being around better influences, though