Comments | vaberella: <br />Death of a 'Ship'

vaberella

Death of a 'Ship'

May 30, 2006 12:28

I've been meaning to talk about this for a long time. I have read rants from fellow John/Teyla shippers who have a tone of apology within their defense of Conversion. Now this is not another rant, this is a final refutation so people can shut up and get their eyes open and pay attention ( Read more... )

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iamtheenemy May 31 2006, 20:52:33 UTC

I'm a slash fan in fanfic, but in canon I just say "eh" and go wherever the show takes me. I didn't think that any of John's actions in Conversion can be held against him or to prove or disprove any ships. I mean, he was turning into a Wraith bug. Even though the tranformation happened slowly, we can't know how much of his mind was compromised from the moment he was infected ( ... )

sanssong June 1 2006, 00:41:27 UTC

You may believe that there is an attraction between Ronon and Teyla, but most of us (and I think most people) don't. I know it's convenient for the Sweirs and the slashers for this to be so, but it's just not there. They have a very obvious brother sister bond and the time they are on screen together or on missions together doesn't equal romance. So Ronon is NOT necessary to any discussion about John and Teyla.

As for your other lames thoughts that John ceased to be himself when he was infected with the retro-virus is just too ridiculous for words. It was very evident in everything that he did, that it was indeed him- only a very uninhibited him.

iamtheenemy June 1 2006, 04:33:51 UTC

(and I think most people)

I would say that to most people there is an attraction between Ronon and Teyla. I guess in order to know for sure we'd have to ask most people.

As for your other lames thoughts

I don't remember insulting your opinion or the opinion of the OP, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult mine. It is just as valid an interpretation of the episode as yours, since both are interpretations and not the truth.

I don't think it was evident in everything he did that it was him. In Conversion, I saw John struggling to stay afloat as the virus took over more of his control. I saw him have strength and speed he didn't know about and I saw him act out aggressively without meaning to. I take from this that in the beginning he was not aware of what was happening; therefore many of his actions and responses were out of his control, even before he got really bad.

sanssong June 1 2006, 04:50:13 UTC

Well for starters you came onto a private LJ to comment, so if can't take my opinon of your opinion - that's just too bad.

I run a fairly large Ronon Dex group and I know most of them don't see any romantic attraction between Teyla and Ronon. But you're gong to see what you want-

John's loss of his normal self control didn't mean that he was becoming another personality- it just meant that he had a harder and harder time trying not to act on his every whim and desire whether it was sexual or agressive. The thing that the writers were trying to point out- and I know this from listening to the commentary with Martin Gero and Joe Flanigan - was that this WAS John. He has within him all these emotions and desires, like most of us do. All the bug virus did was take away his ability to control what was already there and ramp up the nasty agressive side of him. So I still maintain with VB that John kissed Teyla because he had long been attracted to her. Period.

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sheppardspie4te June 1 2006, 03:16:55 UTC

I am from Australia and the second season hasn't even been aired yet!! I knew from the very beginning even before the first episode aired that John and Teyla would be paired together. I was visiting the Stargate awards site and saw a picture of the Atlantis team for the first time (this was a bit more then a year back) Atlantis for us only started a year ago. I looked at the characters: John was standing in the middle so I figured he would be the lead character and then I saw two beautiful women standing next to him. I laughed when I saw Teyla and just thought I bet those two would be paired together ( ... )

vaberella June 1 2006, 07:33:22 UTC

Hiya ( ... )

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Damn you!!! vaberella June 6 2006, 22:41:26 UTC

Yeah punk!!! I love you, but your a pest...you don't even watch the show, why do you care?!?!?!

VB---call us tonight cous!

Finally! obsidianagirl October 2 2006, 23:29:42 UTC

Finally, someone answered the way I have been thinking...I always said that they were showing the primal instincts of the conversion at work in John.

Thank you for saying what I was obviously unable to say as eliquently.

Sid

agriope23 January 13 2008, 22:09:25 UTC

I just visited the ant-JT thread at Gateworld and needed a little something to reaffirm reality as I know it.

Thank you! Other people see what I see! Or rather 'saw' since we're about one to four(?) episodes from having our pairing irrefutably established, beyond the shadow of a doubt or cameras in the background (definitely delusional!)

Yes, I have big hopes for this season! :)