Comments | vancehole: Something near and Dear to me

vancehole

Something near and Dear to me

Feb 09, 2009 19:53

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flemco February 10 2009, 02:30:57 UTC

It could be argued that some of the best presidents of the last century, wartime presidents, never served a day in their lives beforehand.

But I do see your point.

vancehole February 10 2009, 02:43:46 UTC

I do not deny that at all. It is just a personal belief that sprung up during my time in the Marine Corps. There is no offense to any president past or present. I just think it would say a lot to the troops if a president took the time to go through what they all went through.

flemco February 10 2009, 02:56:23 UTC

Arguing from that standpoint, even the most generous historian will tell you that GWB did not go through anything of the sort. If you want a president that did, you would have to go back to GHWB, and before that you had Jimmy Carter.

vancehole February 10 2009, 03:06:08 UTC

And in no way am I defending them. The biggest thing to me is not a show to the world or the nation. It is the impact of the act on the military and the military's morale.

I do not expect it to happen nor will I ever try to make it happen. I just think it would be nice.

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elora February 10 2009, 12:00:34 UTC

I happen to agree with you on this. This is one of the arguements that I had of why I did not vote for Obama. However, I am a very Right Wing Republican and I didn't feel comfortable voting on McCain either. Romney was my guy and I think we would have had a better outcome if he didn't pull out of the running so early.

I just hope Obama does a great job now the he wears the big hat.

candyctdrebar February 11 2009, 01:06:37 UTC

McCain gave me nightmares. And when Sarah Palin was announced as his backup? JESUS CHRIST. I almost passed out during her first speech because she was so clueless and vapid.

I'm really neither side when it comes to politics. I'm all pro-choice but I love my guns. I'm conflicted like that.

higher February 10 2009, 20:32:08 UTC

Robert Heinlein was of the same mind. He believed that you should EARN the right to vote with a stint in the service, as opposed to having it handed to you as a right with no understanding on your part of what it really means. Voter turnout in the US is rarely over half of the registered, much less of age, population.

vancehole February 10 2009, 22:40:39 UTC

I do not believe you have to be in the service in order to gain citizenship. Nor do I believe you have to be in the service in order to vote. That is not something that takes the beliefs of the consciencious objectors into consideration, and the USA needs people like that.

I do however believe that a person should have to take a citizenship test to determine which level they can vote at. The lower the grade, the lower the maximum level you can cast your ballot at. Lower grades get to vote in local elections, middle grades get to vote in local and state elections, and higher grades get to vote in local, state, and national elections.

Once again, I do not expect that to ever happen. Nor do I ever intend to try and force it to happen. I just believe that it would force people to actually study up on how THEIR political system works and give them more insight into what the government can actually do. That way we return accountability back to the people.

higher February 11 2009, 01:07:54 UTC

It's an interesting concept, and one that I might support. Understand, I'm unhappy with the US citizenship test being offered in Spanish and Vietnamese as well as English. True - we have no official language in this country. It's causing problems though, and no one with the power to do anything about has the balls to do anything about it ( ... )