Wow. I'm actually disgusted. But plz plz don't make the mistake of deducting all men are like this. And it's really hard to realize, but mitzvos and frumkeit are only tools of self-perfection. Like an axe. One can use it to cut wood and give it out to the poor who have no lumber to heat their houses; and another can use it to chop down people. But you can't blame the axe.
Firstly, i don't say you are demonizing Jewish men, you are demonizing all of the men. Then you demonize Jewish men, and only then - frum ones. There is nothing to read here- it is one of your "Абрам ворует- все евреи воры" kind of thing. And lastly, I hate to pull "not a true Scotsman" argument, but here it actually applies. Frum people don't talk about sex, not in this blunt manner at least. Smuley Boteach caught a lot of heat just for putting word "sex" on cover of his book- precisely because it is not something that discussed in public setting. Porn addiction and or its use, as you may know, has a lot of prohibitions attached to it. So, what is the chidesh here? That there are sinners even among those that try to be frum or declare themselves as such? You really have to try harder next time. And if I wanted to demonize women or even just those of them who are feminists, you would give more than enough material for such generalization. Luckily, I know better as not to judge group by actions of the few.
I hate to pull "not a true Scotsman" argument, but here it actually applies.
I sort of expected it :) And yet I am strangely sympathetic with it: I guess I would like to think that somewhere in far away land, there exists a small but strong population of wonderful Jews, who love their wives, never cheat, never watch porn, and are otherwise wonderful, pure, saintly people, lol. Land of unicorns, just like one of my opponents said.
Rachael Hirsch But as a parve comment, do you not wear leather? Eat meat? Foie gras? Those are all industries where living creatures are mistreated. Now, if you refuse, will that create the difference you want
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Francesca Figueroa "Those are all industries where living creatures are mistreated." -- equating women to "living creatures"... wonderful, just wonderful. Keep going dear. Soon you will arrive to conclusion that women are for consumption. Oh, wait, we already established that in discussions where people are OK with existence of porn
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Как же их злит эта тема! Один мужик пришел ругаться, чтоб я заткнулась уже наконец. Собрал кучу лайков от теток. Другие тетки пожаловались, что я грязный язык использую - очень любопытно, потому что я всё сугубо академическим языком выдавала. Но они правы - тема оччень грязная. Но это не значит, что я пощажу их нежные ушки и не буду обсуждать. Особенно после того как они сказали, что они не против порна. Сцуко не будет мира на земле и в том паблике, пока есть тетки в белом пальто, которые не против чтоб их дядьки морно развлекались и спускали свою агрессию на "неудачницах" типо. Сцуко не заткнусь. Пусть банят. Но пока я там, хуйни не будет. Спасибо за внимание.
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And it's really hard to realize, but mitzvos and frumkeit are only tools of self-perfection. Like an axe. One can use it to cut wood and give it out to the poor who have no lumber to heat their houses; and another can use it to chop down people. But you can't blame the axe.
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Normalization of deviance, just as I said.
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But i still stick to the points in my first comment.
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There is nothing to read here- it is one of your "Абрам ворует- все евреи воры" kind of thing.
And lastly, I hate to pull "not a true Scotsman" argument, but here it actually applies. Frum people don't talk about sex, not in this blunt manner at least. Smuley Boteach caught a lot of heat just for putting word "sex" on cover of his book- precisely because it is not something that discussed in public setting.
Porn addiction and or its use, as you may know, has a lot of prohibitions attached to it. So, what is the chidesh here? That there are sinners even among those that try to be frum or declare themselves as such?
You really have to try harder next time.
And if I wanted to demonize women or even just those of them who are feminists, you would give more than enough material for such generalization. Luckily, I know better as not to judge group by actions of the few.
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I sort of expected it :) And yet I am strangely sympathetic with it: I guess I would like to think that somewhere in far away land, there exists a small but strong population of wonderful Jews, who love their wives, never cheat, never watch porn, and are otherwise wonderful, pure, saintly people, lol. Land of unicorns, just like one of my opponents said.
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>>there exists a small but strong population of wonderful Jews, who love their wives, never cheat, never watch porn
этого как раз навалом там где вы живете. и не только у вас и но и у нас тоже.
>>and are otherwise wonderful, pure, saintly people
а вот с этим труднее. но другого народа у меня для вас нет. :)
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