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[fishycreambun]

There have been a couple of posts on veganpeople and veganism that have asked to help determine if certain situations can be morally acceptable despite not being strictly vegan - "is it ethical if I use these abandoned eggs from my rescued hen/drink this milk from a friend's pet cow/if people use seeing-eye dogs

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[pqowlaks]

How might consent be shown by an animal?

[fishycreambun]

Let's use the friend's dairy cow/goat/sheep as an example:
Following the keeper into the milk shed on her own volition
Standing still during the milking
Nuzzling the keeper
Response to friendly touch
Eating throughout the process

Or any behaviors or body language one associates with a content/comfortable animal.

[dagda_ollathir]

A child might love its parent and show affection through similar ways, but that's not giving consent to anything- merely establishing a relationship.

[dagda_ollathir]

since your comment is screened, i'll reply here:
"Yes, one of trust. If a mutually fulfilling relationship has been established between the animal and their keeper, aren't you imposing an artificial indignation by claiming the relationship is exploitive?
It seems to be entirely centered in human cultural concepts of dignity than the cultures of human/animal relationships: "How would you like some strange person coming up to you and massaging your breasts twice a day?"
I don't think that line of thought demonstrates anything but philosophical laziness. "

i'm not claiming the relationship is exploitative, i'm claiming that having a trusting relationship doesn't serve as consent. being a woman in a trusting relationship with a man doesn't give that man any right to "massage" my breasts or demand sexual favors.

relationship =/= consent

[fishycreambun]

Come on guys, this used to be such a firey little community.

[xmetamorphose]

a vegan doesn't eat animal products even if it came from their pet chicken or whatever their excuse is because its taking something from an animal that isn't yours to take.

[fishycreambun]

I made this post to determine the reasoning behind that argument. If the ethics weren't so fuzzy, vegans wouldn't be posing those kind of questions.

[dagda_ollathir]

The people positing those questions usually aren't well established vegans and don't entirely understand animal rights. Otherwise, they would not be asking those questions because they would already know the answer is "no, it's not okay"

[trancendenz]

And how is that different than taking something from a tree that isn't yours to take?

Or eating bacteria that live on your plants.

Behaviors in Humans, Behaviors in Animals.

[theevilchemist]

Many people refrain from saying "no" vs giving consent. I, personally have seen someone punch another in the face and the other guy do nothing out of fear, confusion, etc..

Did that person consent, by refraining from delivering retribution? B/c the person did not protest, did that make it ok? Women are often date raped based on this fear of "the angry male" They never give consent, they refrain from fighting it.

Ever hear of Stockholm Syndrome where a person falls in love with their captor as a weird fucked up survival mechanism. Does this make it morally ok to exploit another person, who is scared of death and pain to the point where they are psychologically unable to give consent