I do agree with some of what you are saying. And I'm not trying to cause trouble but heres one problem I have with what you said, you said "maybe Christians should act as if they ACTUALLY KNOW CHRIST." awesome statement and i totally agree, however if thats the case and you want to act like you actually know Christ then why would you cuss? do you think that Christ cussed? Maybe I just dont agree with cussing, but I was just seriously wondering what justifies swearing and using bad language like that. Just if you talk like the world wont the world think your just like them? where would they see your different? I really want an answer im not trying to be mean about it. i just really wanna know what your thinking about it. sorry if it offends you.
Okay however you believe it or say it, fine.. I just totally disagree that Christ would have swore. It says he got angry without sinning. And you obviously dont think swearing is sinning, so therefore you think im wrong in this as well. But I do think that swearing is sinning, so I know that Christ would not have swore. I do have this, Romans 12:14 says: Bless them which persecute you:bless, and curse not. So we are commanded not to curse at those who persecute us. theres at least one thing. And thats all I need. But hey you can believe it however ya want to. Just thought I'd state my side.
...and that's fine. But I find it interesting how upset we get about things like this, when really, the words are not what matter. I really think that was one of Christ's big points that he tried to get across--it's the motive that matters. It's why you do things, that's why he got angry at the publicans
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People do suck. But I'm not so sure that means that there isn't a correct interpretation of Scripture out there. And I also think that we are capable of at least understanding a little bit of what Christ told us.
We won't go down the faith and logic road again, because I do agree with you and it'd just be redundant.
The point about beauty, however, is that there is often no reason for something being ugly to us. It's just we don't like things that are different from what we're use too. I'm beginning to question whether anything is ever really ugly, but rather we label it ugly because we're afraid of it. If God created this world--making both good and evil--shouldn't it stand to reason that everything is beautiful in some form or another?
I don't know. I'm going to ponder it a little bit more, and then give you a fuller response. But thank you for the long response, I enjoyed reading both you and April's thoughts and opinions.
I totally disagree on your view about cursing/cussing/swearing but thats your right by living in America.. as for all the logical stuff, you know i have never done well with logic!! lol so i have no idea what you are talking about for the most part, except for one part that i got and i was all excited that i actually understood it! but thats just part of being me i guess lol. Anyways, I have no idea how your mind got so screwed up. And when i say that i mean its just way different from what you use to be, but not in a better way. I'm not saying your a bad person or anything your just different. And it kinda goes along with what you said about change and how we hate it or whatever u said u know i cant remember your exact words. I mean even I have changed. I admit it. Theres things I believe differently than how I was raised, but in some ways its almost more strict and in other ways its less. WIERD!! Where did you get all of this stuff your beliving now? Like who had you think like that? I'm just curious where u got it from. anywhoo..
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there is more than one meaning of the word curse. according to dictionary.com it means, pay close attention to definition on number 4.A profane word or phrase; a swearword
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lol...that's the part I found most amusing, that I'm far from being considered a heathen. if anything I get into trouble for being too pious and being put on pedastals. it was a bit refreshing to be blessed out.
you sound like Laura, although I don't know if you are or not, whoever you are--thank you, I appreciate it : )
I'm sorry I don't take the Bible to be absolutely literal, word for word. I could respond to everything you wrote, but I'm not so sure that it would be productive
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Just a quick note on Eulogeo, I did a flip through my Greek Dictionary, Eulogeo and Eulogy are related, but Eulogy is actually a greek word, we transliterated it to english, Eulogeo is a close cousin, loosely meaning "Good things that are said" as opposed to "A Good Speech" or "Good Words" (Eu, root, meaning good, logy, from logos, meaning word; Likewise Logeo is a combination of two words, logos and eos, eos is a directive (i don't think thats the exact term for it, but my memory fails me for the exact term) meaning "that which")
Notably, the definition carried in my dictionary for "kataramomai" is translated, "to swear, to use foul language" Also worth noting, my dictionary is that of modern greek, as opposed to Koine (Biblical) greek, so Kataramomai is used currently in the same way we use the verb to swear.
To be clear about the cursing/cussing thing, I am not encouraging that everyone swear, this seems to have been misconstrued. I am simply stating that I believe honesty is more important then piety. Quite often, even in the KJV, Jesus confronts the Pharisees about their insanely strict adherence to the Law, which they didn't even obey fully themselves. The rise of legalism after the return from Exile, is a profound and honest reaction to the punishment the Israelites received. But it seems to me, in my reading of Scripture (which I have read in KJV, and other versions) it seems God is more concerned with motive (it is better to obey then sacrifice) then He is with the actual action. I am not saying actions do not matter, they do, but if they are done with the wrong motive, then, as Paul the Apostle said, "we might as well count them all as dung" (incidentally, that word is most accurately translated into the English word "crap" or the word it's best known to be an euphasism for: "shit", the Greek word that Paul used was "skuvbalon.")
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I do have this, Romans 12:14 says: Bless them which persecute you:bless, and curse not. So we are commanded not to curse at those who persecute us. theres at least one thing. And thats all I need. But hey you can believe it however ya want to. Just thought I'd state my side.
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We won't go down the faith and logic road again, because I do agree with you and it'd just be redundant.
The point about beauty, however, is that there is often no reason for something being ugly to us. It's just we don't like things that are different from what we're use too. I'm beginning to question whether anything is ever really ugly, but rather we label it ugly because we're afraid of it. If God created this world--making both good and evil--shouldn't it stand to reason that everything is beautiful in some form or another?
I don't know. I'm going to ponder it a little bit more, and then give you a fuller response. But thank you for the long response, I enjoyed reading both you and April's thoughts and opinions.
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you sound like Laura, although I don't know if you are or not, whoever you are--thank you, I appreciate it : )
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Notably, the definition carried in my dictionary for "kataramomai" is translated, "to swear, to use foul language" Also worth noting, my dictionary is that of modern greek, as opposed to Koine (Biblical) greek, so Kataramomai is used currently in the same way we use the verb to swear.
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