Credit where credit is due or GTFO

[volitaire]

OH, and another thing-- seeing as this is Wank About Torchwood week-- the Guardian's Carrie Dunn on TW3's potential replacements:

....Let's hope that whoever does take on the onerous medical duties full-time doesn't have a predilection for drugging passersby and enticing them into sex, and whoever operates the technology manages to have a semi-

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[wishingwillow]

It is now Owen's fault that he was a victim of the writers' need to be all LOOK, LOOOK HOW DARK AND TWISTY AND MANY HOT TOPIC ISSUES WE CAN PUT INTO ONE HOUR YOU MUST WATCH OK?

[dru_evilista]

*bitch slaps Carrie Dunn* IT'S NOT RAPE! If pheromones equal rape, then Jack Harkness and his 51st Century Pheromones have never had consensual sex every in his 2170 years of life. Pheromones don't work like that. For gods sake I could go online right now and buy a careful of pheromone perfume, and it wouldn't be rape to walk though a bar doused in the stuff. All they do it make you look more sexually attractive. All species have them. It's only humans that are (in this century at least) less able to be aware of smelling them. *has ISSUES with this*

Ahem. And what you said, on the rest of it. The whole team of them are pretty fucked up. Why do Tosh and Owen get singled out?!

[winterwooskie2]

The pheromones were obviously incredibly strong, though. They made a guy who was about to punch Owen make out with him! It wasn't being implied that Owen appeared more attractive, it was being implied that it made those people more suggestible...which, erm, is date rape.
And regardless of the science behind it, people are always going to read 'man uses chemical to entice strangers into sex' as being analogous to date rape - no amount of explaining can remove that coded image and it was careless of the writers imo.

This is all besides the point though. He was using seized alien technology for his own personal gain. It's an ethical minefield whichever way you look at it.

[winterwooskie2]

To be fair, Tosh was often a poorly written character and her arc was so bare and badly fleshed out that it was insulting to both the character and the actress. I think it's a valid criticism - it's not that she didn't have a social life, it's more that she didn't have much of a life beyond being a victim and pining over bitches.

[volitaire]

If I cared for something like climate change or Prop. 8 as much as I care for the characters of TV shows, we'd be living in a utopia

[winterwooskie2]

Oh, I agree entirely. Very few Torchwood characters even interact with people off the job and there was a whole arc about Gwen feeling ~lonely and finding solace in Owen's penis, so yeah. But something about the way Tosh was written as mousy in the extreme irked me, especially because I think Naoko is amazing and because Tosh had so much potential to be a bigger, more intriguing character.

And yes, the Owen dilemma is just odd. They never REALLY followed up on that - yes he seemed predatory and sexually charged, but he never seemed very...rapey again It felt really out of place and in retrospect was probably just them trying to be ~edgy and failing. :(

[xenutia1]

Carrie Dunn obviously hasn't heard there ARE no replacements coming up!