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well uhh I dunno, read all this under the cut.
oy.
Erin's
volleyball9789: oh wow. Thats harsh.
Julie3790: yeah, and I told matt "you'd rather have a christian than me?" and he was like "wait what?"
Julie3790: and I couldn't take it and got off.
volleyball9789: Oh wow. Thats...just wow. He's that religious?
Julie3790: apparently. Julie3790: what do you think about that?
volleyball9789: I can understand sorta, but if he really likes you then religion shouldn't come in the way of true love.
Julie3790: see, Idon't get it.
volleyball9789: What do you think?
Julie3790: I think that if he likes me, religion doesn't matter.
Mike's
Julie3790: is he still on
Nchawk: yes, he is
Julie3790: is he talking to you, like I suspect
Nchawk: Yeah, we are still talking, like we were before you talked to me in the first place Julie3790: oh alrighty
Nchawk: mhmm
Nchawk: You doin alright?
Julie3790: no.
Nchawk: I didnt think so
Julie3790: I'm not crying if that means anything.
Nchawk: Well, I mean, you still feel like its a slap in the face, and he feels like you're sudden kneejerk departure was a slap in the face. So, pretty much everyone is kind of on edge at the moment. Nchawk: he's trying to keep himself occupied with other stuff, cause hes agonizing over it too
Julie3790: ...I think he should read my blog.
Nchawk: ok
Nchawk: Ill try and prod him over there
Julie3790: no, let him do it on his own.
Nchawk: ok
Julie3790: yeah I'll brb
Nchawk: ok, Ill be here
Nchawk: but, just for reference, you were wondering why he never brought this up before, and told you himself.
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Nchawk: Well.....this is why
Julie3790: what? thats old
Nchawk: because he still loves being friends with you. He was afraid that if he told you all this stuff, you would react the way you did
Julie3790: well good job.
Nchawk: and then the friendship is blown to smithereens
Julie3790: its not completely
Nchawk: almost seems like it
Julie3790: almost.
Nchawk: yeah, but, he just wants to be friends. There is a reason he loves talking to you. Because your a good friend.
Nchawk: So, I mean, if this is such an issue that you can no longer see eye-to-eye with him, and the friendship is just too weird now...thats too bad
Julie3790: it is weird, it will be weird. but its not over
Nchawk: alright. Thats somthing, at least.
Julie3790: well, this is odd
Nchawk: I can imagine
Julie3790: I need to eat, gime like 10 kay?
Nchawk: alright, no prob
Julie3790: did he really
Nchawk: get off? yeah
Nchawk: he wasnt having a fantastic time
Julie3790: dumb question: why?
Julie3790: oh
Nchawk: mhmm
Nchawk: well, this has been an eventful day
Nchawk: you probably dont want to, but anyime you want to talk, you know Im usually here. My door is open.
Julie3790: no, I do want to talk to you. its just, I don't think I really needed that right now. we had a sorta date on thursday!
Nchawk: yeah, this probably wasnt the best day for this
Julie3790: no, it wasn't
Nchawk: but, I mean, I think we can both see that this was going to be an issue EVENTUALLY Nchawk: whether it be today, or 2 months
Nchawk: Its just a topic thats been skirted around every time before
Julie3790: everytime before
Julie3790: ?
Nchawk: Well, like you said, this little revelation has never been talked about before between you 2 Julie3790: right
Nchawk: so, the entire time up to this point, you both have been able to avoid bringing up the inevitable
Nchawk: but....time was running down anyway. It just happened to be today.
Julie3790: wait- time was runnig down?? wth are you talking about?!
Nchawk: ok, stay with me here. You liked matt, correct?
Julie3790: yes, and he knew that.
Nchawk: right. And he liked you.
Nchawk: Now, this issue was going to come up, eventually
Nchawk: you know that
Julie3790: wow, I love your use of passive verbs.
Nchawk: well, I mean, its a tad different now, wouldnt you agree?
Julie3790: a tad, sure
Nchawk: alright. But, what I was saying is that, this issue about christian/non-christian was going to come up one day
Nchawk: it was just a matter of time
Nchawk: at least you both are aware of whats going on now
Nchawk: and can act accordingly
Julie3790: I'm not. why;d he get off
Nchawk: same reason you got off before
Julie3790: I didn't, I was invisible.
Nchawk: its a hella stressful situation you are both in
Julie3790: no shit
. Nchawk: he wanted to go read a book or somthing, to take his mind off it
Julie3790: psh good luck, I'll be lucky to sleep tonight.
Nchawk: same with him
Julie3790: you know, this really kills me.
Julie3790: and did he read my blog?
Nchawk: I think so
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Julie3790: oy, I dunno if thats good or bad
Nchawk: like I said, its better when everyone knows how everyone feels
Nchawk: so, the more information being exchanged, the better off we are
Julie3790: no, its just our convo.
Julie3790: it says nothing of how I feel.
Julie3790: (like a brick)
Nchawk: I dunno, the way you reacted pretty much told the story. If you put that in your blog, I think he gets the idea.
Julie3790: okay
Julie3790: I guess this is what I get..
Nchawk: how come
Julie3790: this didn't just happen once you know.
Nchawk: no?
Julie3790: well, this is twice, it always end up going rotten.
Julie3790: and its always *my* fault.
Nchawk: well, the way I look at it is more like, its not anyones fault. Its like trying to fit a square block into a round hole. Its neither ones fault. Its just....that way.
Nchawk: and thats why life goes on, and we keep looking for new partners that view the world the same way we do
Julie3790: wow, aren't we comforting. *rolls eyes*
Nchawk: mhmm
Julie3790: and how long have you known all this?
Nchawk: known what, exactly
Julie3790: all that you've told me
Nchawk: um, well, I guess a couple weeks ago he first told me about you. He said there was a girl that he knew that he really liked, but she wasnt a christian, and he didnt know how to feel about it. I have my own girlfriend, also named julie, to worry about, so I havent really been working too hard at trying to fix his relationship here, so I didnt really keep up to date very much. Nchawk: Then that was pretty much it until I talked to you in the chat
Julie3790: thats all eh
Nchawk: more or less, yeah
Julie3790: so, you're his best friend, and he hasn't told you anything else
Nchawk: well, I mean, Im sure he told me more specifics, but that was the main jist of it
Nchawk: I dont remember much else. Like I said, Im in the middle of an important time in my own relationship, so I was kind of hoping that it would work itself out without me helping
Nchawk: I didnt really need to know much else besides that, though
Julie3790: wow, are you heartless?
Nchawk: look, Julie, I understand your upset. Ive stayed online all this time only to talk to you, and hope I can help you out. Im here because I want things to work out for both you and matt. Im attempting to help you understand anything that you still might be confused about. But, I dont want to sit here just to get criticized for things Im not even involved with.
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Julie3790: you tell me all this about religion, w/o even knowing MY views.
Julie3790: I don't have any, and I don't understand why he can't work around that.
Nchawk: I WANT to know your views
Julie3790: I DONT HAVE ANY
Nchawk: see, exactly, you said you dont have any
Nchawk: what else am I supposed to do?
Julie3790: I don't know.
Julie3790: I want this to go away.
Nchawk: Thats why Ive spent so much time telling you about HIS views, because theres nothing for me to work with regarding your views
Nchawk: theres nothing there
Nchawk: and, like you said, you dont understand why he cant work around the fact that your not a christian
Julie3790: ok, so you said yourself the religion is corrupted, why not try to make me believe the same????
Julie3790: yeah, I really odn't understand that.
Nchawk: you think I should be attempting to get you to believe that the religion is corrupted? Julie3790: no, I'm quoting you.
Nchawk: right, I said that I believe that the religion is far off base from where it should be sometimes Nchawk: thats correct
Julie3790: that is not what you said
. Nchawk: corrupt is the same as "not properly where it should be"
Julie3790: specify
Nchawk: well, you see the guys on TV, the preachers, super rich and telling you to give them more money....
Nchawk: thats corruption
Julie3790: I know what it is.
Nchawk: right, and theres plenty of it going on
Nchawk: but, you said "why not try to make me believe the same"
Nchawk: do you want me to try and get you to believe that its corrupt?
Julie3790: no, I already do.
Nchawk: ok
Nchawk: and I already gave you the part of christianity that isnt corrupt
Nchawk: so, you know where I stand
Nchawk: I cant do much else
Nchawk: because you really dont seem like you WANT to learn about it, so Im trying not to preach to you or anything. Im not going to force it on you
Julie3790: ok, so what are we arguing about
Nchawk: Im not sure.
Nchawk: ok, so you said yourself the religion is corrupted, why not try to make me believe the same????
Nchawk: thats what kind of led us off. Im not sure what you were saying.
Julie3790: I was saying, why won't he take the opportunity to teach me
Julie3790: this is so strange.
Nchawk: well, because, look at how you reacted. If he tried to teach you about it, surely you would ask about his beliefs, and he would tell you, and you would probably think he was being shallow, again
Nchawk: he really did want to teach you, but he didnt think he was ready
Julie3790: that, makes no sense whatsoever
Nchawk: it was like 4 nights ago, or so, I think, where you guys kind of had a discussion about it Nchawk: right?
Nchawk: you told him that you had no beliefs
Nchawk: am I correct?
Julie3790: umm I don't remember exactly but I think it was a few weeks ago
Nchawk: ok
Nchawk: so, tell me about that
Julie3790: all I said was "alrihgt, its time to talk about religion" he says" oh...."
Nchawk: ok, and then wha
t Julie3790: and I said" I don't have one." he didn't say much after that but " I figured as much" Julie3790: and that was all.
Julie3790: (that I remeber)
Nchawk: well, see, he knew that as soon as you started talking about religion, he would have to explain to you that he couldnt date a non-christian
Nchawk: and he didnt want to say that to you. Look what happens. He was just trying to put it off. Julie3790: well you know what, I would have rather he said it to me then..
Nchawk: He told me that he didnt think you would take it very well at all, so he didnt want to even come close to talking about it
Nchawk: I know, and theres lots of things we all should have done
Nchawk: just like you talked to me at the beginning of this conversation today, instead of talking to him Nchawk: he did the same thing, talking to me, instead of you
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Nchawk: it would be a sore spot, if you talked to him about it, or he talked to you about it Julie3790: it is a sore spot, why not say that in the begining before we got attached?!
Julie3790: thats what I'm hung up on
Nchawk: yeah, I understand. SHOULD he have said it immediatly when he noticed that maybe there was a connection? Yes, of course.
Nchawk: But, I mean, things rarely work out that easily in real life. He liked being with you, and he just couldnt bring himself to do somthing that could so easily make you run away.
Julie3790: well, I would him have rather done it that way.
Julie3790: he KNEW it woludn't work out
Nchawk: I know
Nchawk: he was just holding onto some hope, somewhere, that things would somehow change before the issue came up
Nchawk: it was unrealistic, I know
Nchawk: but we all do it Julie3790: I don't!
Julie3790: jeeze, ppl have no courtesy for others!
Julie3790: If I know things are not gonna work
Julie3790: I say something
Nchawk: Julie, really, you said I was heartless. I dont think that was the most courteous thing in the world. We all make mistakes. Im not going to tell you that he did exactly what she should have, because he didnt. But, he didnt do it with the intent to hurt you. He did it with the intent of being happy with you, and keeping it that way for as long as he could.
Julie3790: ....I don't know what to say to that.
Nchawk: I know
Nchawk: we all do things we cant explain. Im not him, I dont know exactly why he didnt, but Im pretty sure he was just afraid, and didnt want to ruin a good thing
Julie3790: well ,he certainly did, didn't he Nchawk: well, HE didnt, but YOU didnt either. It was just a situation that was bound to come to a halt eventually.
Nchawk: due to conflicting world views
Julie3790: I didn't know he wanted a christian! or I would have said something!!
Nchawk: Yeah, I know
Nchawk: remember, its not like one day he said "I choose that girl, knowing full well she isnt a christian, and then I will ruin everything". You 2 just happened to run into each other in your respective lives, and spent time together for one reason or another. Its a gradual thing. And by the time things started getting serious, it was already past the point of "tell her right away". Ever since then, he has agonized over the fact that it was going to happen eventually. Should he have told you sooner, sure. But....Hes human.
Julie3790: he's so much smarter than this
Nchawk: love makes you stupid many times
Julie3790: but if I would have known what I do now
Julie3790: this would not be happening.
Nchawk: yeah, I know, it would have been easier
Nchawk: I agree with you
Nchawk: But, I just dont want you to butcher him for it, for the rest of your lives
Nchawk: he didnt make the best decision....but its done with now J
ulie3790: and now what do I do
Nchawk: theres no good answer to that. All you can do is...move on. The only options you have are to either keep being simply friends with him, or you can stop talking to him altogether for all eternity, or you can become a christian and stay with him romantically (and thats not somthing you should do for that reason). So, realisitically, you have to just decide whether you will forgive him, and stay friends, or whether you will hold a huge grudge and blow him off forever.
Julie3790: wow, this sucks
Nchawk: unless matt changes his idea of who he should get involved with....thats pretty much it Julie3790: wow, this REALLY sucks.
Nchawk: yep, it does
Julie3790: well I dunno what to do.
Nchawk: yeah. You just need some time. Thats all.
Julie3790: I don't have time
Julie3790: I see him on thursday, unless he changed his mind....
Nchawk: well, I think you might want to cancel that appointment, unless you talk to him one on one before then and make sure everything is ok between you 2 again
Julie3790: well, unless he gets on here, I'm not going to call him, i dunno what to say.
Nchawk: Im sure he'll be on later tonight, or tommorow
Nchawk: hes always here
Julie3790: not always,
Julie3790: he wasn't this morning
Nchawk: well, no, not always, but a lot of the time. Just keep checking back, he'll be back here eventually, definatly before thursday.
Julie3790: what do I say
Nchawk: well, only talk to him when you know that you can be adult about it, and not yell at him Nchawk: and then, pretty much, just tell him how you feel, and how you think things should go Julie3790: I'm not going to yell at him.
Nchawk: for example, that your really dissapointed that things couldnt work out between you 2, but you still enjoy his company and friendship, and you hope you can continue being friends
Nchawk: and that would pretty much kill any bitterness
Julie3790: but you and I both know thats not what I want....
Nchawk: well then, dont say that
Nchawk: tell him how you feel
Julie3790: like a brick.
Nchawk: if you cant be friends anymore, just tell him
Julie3790: but thats not what I want either.
Nchawk: so...then...tell him that you just need some time alone, and maybe in the future things can get back to normal
Julie3790: that works
Julie3790: I guess
Nchawk: ok
Nick's
Julie3790: read it?
Or10n686: not yet, just goin to
Julie3790: kay
Or10n686: omg, just by reading the first few lines i dont like where this is going
Julie3790: yeah, its nuts
Or10n686: wow, thats bull shit
Or10n686: i really dont know any other word to describe it
Julie3790: exactly, thanks nick
Or10n686: yeah, me and matt always "talked" (more like argued and faught) about that
Julie3790: really?
Or10n686: his view of religion is really a downfall for his personality cuz it makes him
Or10n686: ...
Or10n686: i dunno, its hard to explain
Julie3790: yeah, weird
Or10n686: but now especially after reading that, thats completely shallow
Julie3790: exactly!
Or10n686: i cant believe that
Julie3790: me either!
Julie3790: jerk....
Or10n686: yeah really
Julie3790: I..I dunno, I need to think
Or10n686: you shouldnt even want to get involved with him if thats the way hes gonna be Or10n686: about what?
Julie3790: what happened tonight, and YES EXACTLY
Julie3790: if I'd have known that, I would've said something
Or10n686: yeah
Or10n686: thats crap
Julie3790: exactly
Or10n686: i feel bad for you
Julie3790: thanks nick
Or10n686: man, now i'm gonna be mad at matt for the rest of the night
Or10n686: lol
Julie3790: lol, you should be mad for longer!
Or10n686: lol i will be:-)
Or10n686: hows summer goin for you?
Julie3790: great aside from this, you?
Or10n686: eh Or10n686: boring
Or10n686: just workin a lot
wow, I don't even know, Alex's was the funniest but I didn't save it...:(
ok, I'm gonna go uhh I don't know that either....
oy.
Erin's
volleyball9789: oh wow. Thats harsh.
Julie3790: yeah, and I told matt "you'd rather have a christian than me?" and he was like "wait what?"
Julie3790: and I couldn't take it and got off.
volleyball9789: Oh wow. Thats...just wow. He's that religious?
Julie3790: apparently. Julie3790: what do you think about that?
volleyball9789: I can understand sorta, but if he really likes you then religion shouldn't come in the way of true love.
Julie3790: see, Idon't get it.
volleyball9789: What do you think?
Julie3790: I think that if he likes me, religion doesn't matter.
Mike's
Julie3790: is he still on
Nchawk: yes, he is
Julie3790: is he talking to you, like I suspect
Nchawk: Yeah, we are still talking, like we were before you talked to me in the first place Julie3790: oh alrighty
Nchawk: mhmm
Nchawk: You doin alright?
Julie3790: no.
Nchawk: I didnt think so
Julie3790: I'm not crying if that means anything.
Nchawk: Well, I mean, you still feel like its a slap in the face, and he feels like you're sudden kneejerk departure was a slap in the face. So, pretty much everyone is kind of on edge at the moment. Nchawk: he's trying to keep himself occupied with other stuff, cause hes agonizing over it too
Julie3790: ...I think he should read my blog.
Nchawk: ok
Nchawk: Ill try and prod him over there
Julie3790: no, let him do it on his own.
Nchawk: ok
Julie3790: yeah I'll brb
Nchawk: ok, Ill be here
Nchawk: but, just for reference, you were wondering why he never brought this up before, and told you himself.
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Nchawk: Well.....this is why
Julie3790: what? thats old
Nchawk: because he still loves being friends with you. He was afraid that if he told you all this stuff, you would react the way you did
Julie3790: well good job.
Nchawk: and then the friendship is blown to smithereens
Julie3790: its not completely
Nchawk: almost seems like it
Julie3790: almost.
Nchawk: yeah, but, he just wants to be friends. There is a reason he loves talking to you. Because your a good friend.
Nchawk: So, I mean, if this is such an issue that you can no longer see eye-to-eye with him, and the friendship is just too weird now...thats too bad
Julie3790: it is weird, it will be weird. but its not over
Nchawk: alright. Thats somthing, at least.
Julie3790: well, this is odd
Nchawk: I can imagine
Julie3790: I need to eat, gime like 10 kay?
Nchawk: alright, no prob
Julie3790: did he really
Nchawk: get off? yeah
Nchawk: he wasnt having a fantastic time
Julie3790: dumb question: why?
Julie3790: oh
Nchawk: mhmm
Nchawk: well, this has been an eventful day
Nchawk: you probably dont want to, but anyime you want to talk, you know Im usually here. My door is open.
Julie3790: no, I do want to talk to you. its just, I don't think I really needed that right now. we had a sorta date on thursday!
Nchawk: yeah, this probably wasnt the best day for this
Julie3790: no, it wasn't
Nchawk: but, I mean, I think we can both see that this was going to be an issue EVENTUALLY Nchawk: whether it be today, or 2 months
Nchawk: Its just a topic thats been skirted around every time before
Julie3790: everytime before
Julie3790: ?
Nchawk: Well, like you said, this little revelation has never been talked about before between you 2 Julie3790: right
Nchawk: so, the entire time up to this point, you both have been able to avoid bringing up the inevitable
Nchawk: but....time was running down anyway. It just happened to be today.
Julie3790: wait- time was runnig down?? wth are you talking about?!
Nchawk: ok, stay with me here. You liked matt, correct?
Julie3790: yes, and he knew that.
Nchawk: right. And he liked you.
Nchawk: Now, this issue was going to come up, eventually
Nchawk: you know that
Julie3790: wow, I love your use of passive verbs.
Nchawk: well, I mean, its a tad different now, wouldnt you agree?
Julie3790: a tad, sure
Nchawk: alright. But, what I was saying is that, this issue about christian/non-christian was going to come up one day
Nchawk: it was just a matter of time
Nchawk: at least you both are aware of whats going on now
Nchawk: and can act accordingly
Julie3790: I'm not. why;d he get off
Nchawk: same reason you got off before
Julie3790: I didn't, I was invisible.
Nchawk: its a hella stressful situation you are both in
Julie3790: no shit
. Nchawk: he wanted to go read a book or somthing, to take his mind off it
Julie3790: psh good luck, I'll be lucky to sleep tonight.
Nchawk: same with him
Julie3790: you know, this really kills me.
Julie3790: and did he read my blog?
Nchawk: I think so
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Julie3790: oy, I dunno if thats good or bad
Nchawk: like I said, its better when everyone knows how everyone feels
Nchawk: so, the more information being exchanged, the better off we are
Julie3790: no, its just our convo.
Julie3790: it says nothing of how I feel.
Julie3790: (like a brick)
Nchawk: I dunno, the way you reacted pretty much told the story. If you put that in your blog, I think he gets the idea.
Julie3790: okay
Julie3790: I guess this is what I get..
Nchawk: how come
Julie3790: this didn't just happen once you know.
Nchawk: no?
Julie3790: well, this is twice, it always end up going rotten.
Julie3790: and its always *my* fault.
Nchawk: well, the way I look at it is more like, its not anyones fault. Its like trying to fit a square block into a round hole. Its neither ones fault. Its just....that way.
Nchawk: and thats why life goes on, and we keep looking for new partners that view the world the same way we do
Julie3790: wow, aren't we comforting. *rolls eyes*
Nchawk: mhmm
Julie3790: and how long have you known all this?
Nchawk: known what, exactly
Julie3790: all that you've told me
Nchawk: um, well, I guess a couple weeks ago he first told me about you. He said there was a girl that he knew that he really liked, but she wasnt a christian, and he didnt know how to feel about it. I have my own girlfriend, also named julie, to worry about, so I havent really been working too hard at trying to fix his relationship here, so I didnt really keep up to date very much. Nchawk: Then that was pretty much it until I talked to you in the chat
Julie3790: thats all eh
Nchawk: more or less, yeah
Julie3790: so, you're his best friend, and he hasn't told you anything else
Nchawk: well, I mean, Im sure he told me more specifics, but that was the main jist of it
Nchawk: I dont remember much else. Like I said, Im in the middle of an important time in my own relationship, so I was kind of hoping that it would work itself out without me helping
Nchawk: I didnt really need to know much else besides that, though
Julie3790: wow, are you heartless?
Nchawk: look, Julie, I understand your upset. Ive stayed online all this time only to talk to you, and hope I can help you out. Im here because I want things to work out for both you and matt. Im attempting to help you understand anything that you still might be confused about. But, I dont want to sit here just to get criticized for things Im not even involved with.
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Julie3790: you tell me all this about religion, w/o even knowing MY views.
Julie3790: I don't have any, and I don't understand why he can't work around that.
Nchawk: I WANT to know your views
Julie3790: I DONT HAVE ANY
Nchawk: see, exactly, you said you dont have any
Nchawk: what else am I supposed to do?
Julie3790: I don't know.
Julie3790: I want this to go away.
Nchawk: Thats why Ive spent so much time telling you about HIS views, because theres nothing for me to work with regarding your views
Nchawk: theres nothing there
Nchawk: and, like you said, you dont understand why he cant work around the fact that your not a christian
Julie3790: ok, so you said yourself the religion is corrupted, why not try to make me believe the same????
Julie3790: yeah, I really odn't understand that.
Nchawk: you think I should be attempting to get you to believe that the religion is corrupted? Julie3790: no, I'm quoting you.
Nchawk: right, I said that I believe that the religion is far off base from where it should be sometimes Nchawk: thats correct
Julie3790: that is not what you said
. Nchawk: corrupt is the same as "not properly where it should be"
Julie3790: specify
Nchawk: well, you see the guys on TV, the preachers, super rich and telling you to give them more money....
Nchawk: thats corruption
Julie3790: I know what it is.
Nchawk: right, and theres plenty of it going on
Nchawk: but, you said "why not try to make me believe the same"
Nchawk: do you want me to try and get you to believe that its corrupt?
Julie3790: no, I already do.
Nchawk: ok
Nchawk: and I already gave you the part of christianity that isnt corrupt
Nchawk: so, you know where I stand
Nchawk: I cant do much else
Nchawk: because you really dont seem like you WANT to learn about it, so Im trying not to preach to you or anything. Im not going to force it on you
Julie3790: ok, so what are we arguing about
Nchawk: Im not sure.
Nchawk: ok, so you said yourself the religion is corrupted, why not try to make me believe the same????
Nchawk: thats what kind of led us off. Im not sure what you were saying.
Julie3790: I was saying, why won't he take the opportunity to teach me
Julie3790: this is so strange.
Nchawk: well, because, look at how you reacted. If he tried to teach you about it, surely you would ask about his beliefs, and he would tell you, and you would probably think he was being shallow, again
Nchawk: he really did want to teach you, but he didnt think he was ready
Julie3790: that, makes no sense whatsoever
Nchawk: it was like 4 nights ago, or so, I think, where you guys kind of had a discussion about it Nchawk: right?
Nchawk: you told him that you had no beliefs
Nchawk: am I correct?
Julie3790: umm I don't remember exactly but I think it was a few weeks ago
Nchawk: ok
Nchawk: so, tell me about that
Julie3790: all I said was "alrihgt, its time to talk about religion" he says" oh...."
Nchawk: ok, and then wha
t Julie3790: and I said" I don't have one." he didn't say much after that but " I figured as much" Julie3790: and that was all.
Julie3790: (that I remeber)
Nchawk: well, see, he knew that as soon as you started talking about religion, he would have to explain to you that he couldnt date a non-christian
Nchawk: and he didnt want to say that to you. Look what happens. He was just trying to put it off. Julie3790: well you know what, I would have rather he said it to me then..
Nchawk: He told me that he didnt think you would take it very well at all, so he didnt want to even come close to talking about it
Nchawk: I know, and theres lots of things we all should have done
Nchawk: just like you talked to me at the beginning of this conversation today, instead of talking to him Nchawk: he did the same thing, talking to me, instead of you
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Nchawk: it would be a sore spot, if you talked to him about it, or he talked to you about it Julie3790: it is a sore spot, why not say that in the begining before we got attached?!
Julie3790: thats what I'm hung up on
Nchawk: yeah, I understand. SHOULD he have said it immediatly when he noticed that maybe there was a connection? Yes, of course.
Nchawk: But, I mean, things rarely work out that easily in real life. He liked being with you, and he just couldnt bring himself to do somthing that could so easily make you run away.
Julie3790: well, I would him have rather done it that way.
Julie3790: he KNEW it woludn't work out
Nchawk: I know
Nchawk: he was just holding onto some hope, somewhere, that things would somehow change before the issue came up
Nchawk: it was unrealistic, I know
Nchawk: but we all do it Julie3790: I don't!
Julie3790: jeeze, ppl have no courtesy for others!
Julie3790: If I know things are not gonna work
Julie3790: I say something
Nchawk: Julie, really, you said I was heartless. I dont think that was the most courteous thing in the world. We all make mistakes. Im not going to tell you that he did exactly what she should have, because he didnt. But, he didnt do it with the intent to hurt you. He did it with the intent of being happy with you, and keeping it that way for as long as he could.
Julie3790: ....I don't know what to say to that.
Nchawk: I know
Nchawk: we all do things we cant explain. Im not him, I dont know exactly why he didnt, but Im pretty sure he was just afraid, and didnt want to ruin a good thing
Julie3790: well ,he certainly did, didn't he Nchawk: well, HE didnt, but YOU didnt either. It was just a situation that was bound to come to a halt eventually.
Nchawk: due to conflicting world views
Julie3790: I didn't know he wanted a christian! or I would have said something!!
Nchawk: Yeah, I know
Nchawk: remember, its not like one day he said "I choose that girl, knowing full well she isnt a christian, and then I will ruin everything". You 2 just happened to run into each other in your respective lives, and spent time together for one reason or another. Its a gradual thing. And by the time things started getting serious, it was already past the point of "tell her right away". Ever since then, he has agonized over the fact that it was going to happen eventually. Should he have told you sooner, sure. But....Hes human.
Julie3790: he's so much smarter than this
Nchawk: love makes you stupid many times
Julie3790: but if I would have known what I do now
Julie3790: this would not be happening.
Nchawk: yeah, I know, it would have been easier
Nchawk: I agree with you
Nchawk: But, I just dont want you to butcher him for it, for the rest of your lives
Nchawk: he didnt make the best decision....but its done with now J
ulie3790: and now what do I do
Nchawk: theres no good answer to that. All you can do is...move on. The only options you have are to either keep being simply friends with him, or you can stop talking to him altogether for all eternity, or you can become a christian and stay with him romantically (and thats not somthing you should do for that reason). So, realisitically, you have to just decide whether you will forgive him, and stay friends, or whether you will hold a huge grudge and blow him off forever.
Julie3790: wow, this sucks
Nchawk: unless matt changes his idea of who he should get involved with....thats pretty much it Julie3790: wow, this REALLY sucks.
Nchawk: yep, it does
Julie3790: well I dunno what to do.
Nchawk: yeah. You just need some time. Thats all.
Julie3790: I don't have time
Julie3790: I see him on thursday, unless he changed his mind....
Nchawk: well, I think you might want to cancel that appointment, unless you talk to him one on one before then and make sure everything is ok between you 2 again
Julie3790: well, unless he gets on here, I'm not going to call him, i dunno what to say.
Nchawk: Im sure he'll be on later tonight, or tommorow
Nchawk: hes always here
Julie3790: not always,
Julie3790: he wasn't this morning
Nchawk: well, no, not always, but a lot of the time. Just keep checking back, he'll be back here eventually, definatly before thursday.
Julie3790: what do I say
Nchawk: well, only talk to him when you know that you can be adult about it, and not yell at him Nchawk: and then, pretty much, just tell him how you feel, and how you think things should go Julie3790: I'm not going to yell at him.
Nchawk: for example, that your really dissapointed that things couldnt work out between you 2, but you still enjoy his company and friendship, and you hope you can continue being friends
Nchawk: and that would pretty much kill any bitterness
Julie3790: but you and I both know thats not what I want....
Nchawk: well then, dont say that
Nchawk: tell him how you feel
Julie3790: like a brick.
Nchawk: if you cant be friends anymore, just tell him
Julie3790: but thats not what I want either.
Nchawk: so...then...tell him that you just need some time alone, and maybe in the future things can get back to normal
Julie3790: that works
Julie3790: I guess
Nchawk: ok
Nick's
Julie3790: read it?
Or10n686: not yet, just goin to
Julie3790: kay
Or10n686: omg, just by reading the first few lines i dont like where this is going
Julie3790: yeah, its nuts
Or10n686: wow, thats bull shit
Or10n686: i really dont know any other word to describe it
Julie3790: exactly, thanks nick
Or10n686: yeah, me and matt always "talked" (more like argued and faught) about that
Julie3790: really?
Or10n686: his view of religion is really a downfall for his personality cuz it makes him
Or10n686: ...
Or10n686: i dunno, its hard to explain
Julie3790: yeah, weird
Or10n686: but now especially after reading that, thats completely shallow
Julie3790: exactly!
Or10n686: i cant believe that
Julie3790: me either!
Julie3790: jerk....
Or10n686: yeah really
Julie3790: I..I dunno, I need to think
Or10n686: you shouldnt even want to get involved with him if thats the way hes gonna be Or10n686: about what?
Julie3790: what happened tonight, and YES EXACTLY
Julie3790: if I'd have known that, I would've said something
Or10n686: yeah
Or10n686: thats crap
Julie3790: exactly
Or10n686: i feel bad for you
Julie3790: thanks nick
Or10n686: man, now i'm gonna be mad at matt for the rest of the night
Or10n686: lol
Julie3790: lol, you should be mad for longer!
Or10n686: lol i will be:-)
Or10n686: hows summer goin for you?
Julie3790: great aside from this, you?
Or10n686: eh Or10n686: boring
Or10n686: just workin a lot
wow, I don't even know, Alex's was the funniest but I didn't save it...:(
ok, I'm gonna go uhh I don't know that either....