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I think Rorschach's philosophy isn't as simple as it seems. He shows understanding of Comedian's point of view, he likes the Comedian. How would that be possible if he thought in most basic "good-bad" terms only? Comedian did loads of basically "bad" things, like killing innocent people and laughing at idealistic ideas. Still, Rorschach likes him
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Uhg. I admit I have a bone to pick with people who would call Rorschach's philosophy "simple" and "naive" without qualification.
Rorschach is the character who probably dealt with the most horror and worst of humanity outside of the comedian (who went to 'Nam... but unlike rorschach comedian sought a lot of what he experienced out for lulz). In that sense he rorschach the least naive, because he has seen the most horror
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OK, I'm going to completely disagree with the opinion on Silk Spectre II. Also, isn't it interesting that people can discuss the moral significance and philosophy of the male characters until the cows come home, but Silk Spectre gets barely a (disdainful) mention? Even though she is, imho, the pivotal character in the story.
Saying that she retreats out of cowardice and disinterest is immensely short-sighted. She is, arguably, the character who gets the most things done. She kicks Dan out of his lethargy and gets him to realize that he's not old and useless. She is the one who tells Doc Manhattan off, who tells the detatched god it is his responsibility to act and through that spurs him into action. She is the one who, when everyone else is too shocked to do anything but talk, acts by trying to shoot Adrian. And she is the one through whom we see that even the Comedian, who is otherwise a beast in human form, still has traces of humanity and regret
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To criticise Laurie as a coward on those grounds is to buy into the same notion that most of the other characters do; that violence and grand heroic gestures are inherently better than simply trying to live one's life the best way one can. Even when the idea is to stop a war. And, IDK, I don't want to be one of those people who tries to tell others how they 'should' read a text, but at the same time I feel like if someone is reading Watchmen and it doesn't occur to them to question that, then maybe they're not really paying attention
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at the very end where she talks about getting a new costume and going back to crimefighting with some enthusiasm I read that particular line as perhaps the most pro-active thing Laurie voiced in the whole comic; she's finally trying to develop her own vision of herself rather than just reacting to what people tell/expect her to do.
I agree on this. It feels here like she finally grows out of her "oldest living teenager" stage (ie focusing on all the possibilities she could have had with different parents, while not moving toward any of them) and accepts who she is, the skills she does have. Adrian's world isn't going to last, and people will need help that authority isn't prepared to provide, at least not right away. But she can, so that's going to be her life.
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Uhg. I admit I have a bone to pick with people who would call Rorschach's philosophy "simple" and "naive" without qualification.
Rorschach is the character who probably dealt with the most horror and worst of humanity outside of the comedian (who went to 'Nam... but unlike rorschach comedian sought a lot of what he experienced out for lulz). In that sense he rorschach the least naive, because he has seen the most horror ( ... )
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Saying that she retreats out of cowardice and disinterest is immensely short-sighted. She is, arguably, the character who gets the most things done. She kicks Dan out of his lethargy and gets him to realize that he's not old and useless. She is the one who tells Doc Manhattan off, who tells the detatched god it is his responsibility to act and through that spurs him into action. She is the one who, when everyone else is too shocked to do anything but talk, acts by trying to shoot Adrian. And she is the one through whom we see that even the Comedian, who is otherwise a beast in human form, still has traces of humanity and regret ( ... )
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To criticise Laurie as a coward on those grounds is to buy into the same notion that most of the other characters do; that violence and grand heroic gestures are inherently better than simply trying to live one's life the best way one can. Even when the idea is to stop a war. And, IDK, I don't want to be one of those people who tries to tell others how they 'should' read a text, but at the same time I feel like if someone is reading Watchmen and it doesn't occur to them to question that, then maybe they're not really paying attention ( ... )
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I read that particular line as perhaps the most pro-active thing Laurie voiced in the whole comic; she's finally trying to develop her own vision of herself rather than just reacting to what people tell/expect her to do.
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