God, it just....infuriates me so

Jan 17, 2010 01:48

Tonight, out at the bar, after the Ravens game, I had to listen to a man casually toss about the term nigger. A black gentleman was talking to a while girl down the bar. They seemed to be having a fine time. This....slime...was seated next to me and he was talking to another person. He wasn't talking to me, but I could hear him. What I heard was " ( Read more... )

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esprix January 20 2010, 20:09:22 UTC
I'm glad you were outraged, as I would have been, too.

That said, stop a think for a moment about saying "Barack Hussein Obama" when you refer to the President. Why do you include his middle name? What does that signify to you? What is the message you intend to send by doing so?

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weirddave January 20 2010, 20:33:12 UTC
Couple of things, dunno if you'll believe them, but they're the 100% God's honest truth.

#1 I like the way it sounds. "Barack Hussein Obama. George Walker Bush. William Jefferson Clinton. George Herbert Walker Bush. Ronald Wilson Reagan." To me it sounds Presidential to use the individual's full name. I tend to do that when speaking formally, identifying the individual in his job as the President of the United States, especially when I am speaking of something that PRESIDENT has done policy wise that I may not agree with. IOW, it's not the INDIVIDUAL I'm disagreeing with, it's the PRESIDENT. Does that make sense?

#2 I utterly and forcefully reject the implication you are making here. You're trying to have it both ways, and that's not kosher. The President goes to Egypt and speaks to the Muslim world "I'm Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and now that I'm President, the world has changed". He's using his middle name to his advantage, seeking to use it to invoke commonality with Muslims. However, when I identify the president by his full name ( ... )

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esprix January 20 2010, 21:01:34 UTC
I believe you're speaking your truth, no worries. My question is, do you understand that, outside of the way you use it, using his full name is far more often than not used derogatorily, specifically by people that you (generally) agree with politically? That puts you at a disadvantage, as your arguments are quickly labelled before they're heard. I don't think I'm the only one reading it that way, based on the conversation in your other post ( ... )

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