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Jun 16, 2011 17:54

[Public]I have a question to pose to the rest of you. This isn’t a condemnation of anyone aboard; I’m not judging the choices anyone has made. Or will make. It’s a product of my own curiosity, getting the better of me once again. This is particularly directed to the wardens, but I do welcome the inmates to weigh in, as well ( Read more... )

philosophical wiggle room, unscientific observation, out of my element

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majorum_pride June 16 2011, 16:14:43 UTC
Future dictates that I will no longer exist in my world even if I graduate. Therefore, I'm uncertain of what my destination will be. I have heard that some inmates are given the option of a completely fresh start.

I suppose, once redeemed, the choice should be hers. Not ours. [And lulz. He's actually not saying she's irredeemable. For all of her flaws, honesty is probably one of her more favorable ones.]

As for relationships, for some of us, this may be the only chance we have left. We may not rehabilitate. Some of us disappear before nearing rehabilitation. The same with wardens. But then again, why would anyone have a relationship in the outside world when their significant other could die or choose someone else or be forced to relocate because of their job? I do appreciate any consideration given to me, as it might be my last chance to be close to someone.

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 16:18:15 UTC
You say this may be the only chance you have left - but a chance for what? Just sex?

I'm failing to understand the attraction to forming attachments here, really. Life is short, sure. Okay. But the Barge isn't life. It's like a waystation. What's the point?

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majorum_pride June 16 2011, 16:24:12 UTC
I won't lie, the sex is enjoyable. But I do admit only sex, with no companionship? No compatibility? Even if it is only to trigger a few instincts that tell me that someone is a suitable breeding partner with favorable genes, or would make my social group stronger. Even if I break it down to its most primitive aspects to explain that need for compatibility, I know just the sex wouldn't suffice.

For some of us, it may just end up being the last of our life, and I would much rather enjoy what I have of it as a life rather than treat it as a substandard existence. It's what I have for the moment.

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 16:41:57 UTC
So you're settling.

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stopthat_destro June 16 2011, 16:33:41 UTC
[Rex's voice is totally dull and without affect right now, thanks to a bunch of victim blaming, silencing shouting flung his way, leading to a glorious triggering of past trauma. WHEEE.]

Most relationships in the real world are destined to end in failure, anyway. Why begrudge people the opportunity here.

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 16:38:55 UTC
I'm not begrudging anyone to do whatever they want with their time here.

I simply don't understand the point.

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stopthat_destro June 16 2011, 16:41:22 UTC
What's the point of attaching yourself to anybody? Nearly all relationships-- platonic or otherwise-- end in disappointment. The odds are stacked against even friendship.

The point is that people are irrational and do things that are self-destructive anyway.

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 16:43:50 UTC
Do you consider Barge relationships to be self-destructive?

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[Private] most_feared June 16 2011, 16:40:57 UTC
I'm kind of hoping that forming attachments will help my inmate. Because the whole dog threatening thing isn't exactly on the path to giving people more consideration. Maybe not romantic attachments, but I don't want him to think they're worthless.

As for romantic attachments, I'm an old school romantic. [That's... all he'll say about that.] But uh... yeah. There are a couple of inmates or wardens that have been inmates that I'd be happy to give a shot if I could.

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[Private] whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 16:43:10 UTC
I'm not much of a romantic.

I really don't see the point.

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[Private] most_feared June 16 2011, 16:51:23 UTC
I wish I could do a good job of describing it to you, but I can't. Personal involvement is dangerous, here or anywhere. I shouldn't even have friends, very well romantic interests. I'm painfully aware of this and were I anywhere else I might have had not made the same connections I've made here.

But the sentimentalist in me says that when it finds you, you don't get much say in the matter. No matter who it's with or where you are and it's a bitch and it's an annoyance and it's trouble and it's the damned best thing in the world just to have someone make you smile when you're trying your best to be pissed.

Just don't tell anybody I said that.

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[Private] whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 17:58:45 UTC
I understand that love is great and fun and even casual romantic interaction can be, as well -

It just seems like an exercise in futility, Kay. Here.

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rass_bestie June 16 2011, 16:50:36 UTC
It's not wrong to hold them accountable, it's wrong to assume that's all there is to them. If I know someone has killed, hurt or maimed someone, I'm going to be more on guard than with someone who hasn't ( ... )

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 18:00:31 UTC
I think this explanation is probably the one I can understand best. Escape is understandable.

It's also likely the reason -

Nevermind.

Thank you, Omega. I appreciate your input. I also appreciate knowing that my inmate will have at least a colleague, if not a friend, when she graduates.

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rass_bestie June 16 2011, 18:14:39 UTC
Of course.

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get_thebook June 16 2011, 17:44:27 UTC
Does a criminal who has done their time in a prison expect that every person will accept that they have paid their due? It is definitely not always the case, unfortunate though it is. The crime does not disappear unless you go to where it is completely unknown, and it may still catch up with you. If you are penitent then you bear the guilt forever, and it is partly your responsibility to accept that with dignity.

And forgive me but you speak as though before coming here you've never been in a relationship that came to an end.

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 18:01:36 UTC
I never went into a relationship knowing full well it would end, probably sooner than later. Not consciously, anyway.

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get_thebook June 16 2011, 19:03:15 UTC
Everything is temporary.

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whattheytellyou June 16 2011, 19:14:08 UTC
But not everything is futile.

I seem to be upsetting a lot of people with this line of questioning. Rocking the boat and all.

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