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Nov 05, 2008 14:37

I'm still upset over Prop 8. Still a lot of absentee ballots to count and it looks close. I think only prayer can save California from bigotry ruling the day ( Read more... )

glbt, usa, obama '08, politics

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ciani November 5 2008, 19:42:56 UTC
I'm really quite upset and angry, and I think we need to start screaming civil rights instead of gay rights because people are using semantics to pretend it's somehow different.

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x_bluerose_x November 5 2008, 19:44:08 UTC
YES. DING DING DING DING you got it.

This is ALL about civil rights. This is the civil rights movement of the 60s part 2.

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marginaleye November 5 2008, 20:55:39 UTC
Before this will have any impact whatsoever on the Talibangelicals, you'll have to convince them that homosexuality is an innate trait rather than a voluntary behavior. And even if you somehow manage to accomplish that feat of persuasion, they'll just trot out some half-baked comparison to pedophilia (lightly skipping over the whole "consent" issue).

Their world-view is damn-near a seamless whole. They regard (heterosexual) marriage as a kind of microcosmic reflection of, or model of, the the relationship between God and the Church (see Ephesians 5:21-33). They also regard it as a symbol of divine wisdom within the world (a point parodied in that "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" line).

Not defending their tenacious stupidity, mind you...

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theonlysong November 5 2008, 20:18:23 UTC
people can be so stupid

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x_bluerose_x November 5 2008, 20:54:49 UTC
Yup. :-/

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x_bluerose_x November 5 2008, 20:52:12 UTC
Yes. You hit my fear, too. And we're not alone.

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marginaleye November 5 2008, 23:09:06 UTC
The public is, in some ways, far coarser and more ignorant than it once was, but having lived under an embryonic tyranny (or, at least, a government with tyrannical instincts), the alert minority is larger, better organized, and harder to fool than it was, back in that mythological golden age that the Rethuglicans are so fond of rhapsodizing about.

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wildrider November 5 2008, 23:29:38 UTC
I agree 100%. Judging by our new president-elect's age, his parents were not legally married in all 50 states, because in the early 60's, interracial marriage was still illegal in a few places, and kept that way because "interracial marriage is against God and Nature." Uh huh.

I've been crying on and off ever since the official word came in. We got married just a few weeks ago. If they invalidate our marriage, I want a refund from the State of California... and I think every couple who was married and have their marriages invalidated deserves one, too. That means the State should pony up $1,656,000 bucks (it was $92 bucks for the marriage license and civil ceremony, multiply that by 18,000 couples)...

That might make some of them think twice.

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angstytimelord November 6 2008, 03:06:15 UTC
I'm not gay, but I'm about as gay-friendly as you can get -- besides having an older brother who's HIV+ who I adore more than anyone else on Earth, and a bisexual female roommate. The whole Prop 8 fiasco makes me so angry that I want to go out with a baseball bat and bludgeon anyone who thinks it's a good thing.

What gets to me the most is that Prop 8 not only violates the basic civil right to "the pursuit of happiness" in the state of California -- it violates the US Constitution's guarantee of each and every human being in this country who has a right to finding that happiness. This is much more than just a state battle -- it's a battle for the basic rights and freedoms every person is entitled to, whether they're black, white, straight, gay, purple or polka-dotted.

Ugh. I've never hated the Religious Wrong more than I do now.

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