idiocy

[xdamnemokidsx]

Ok, so the NCAA has decided to ban all schools with an Indian mascot from using that mascot and/or having the name of it on their jerseys during any sort of postseason athletic play. Naturally, this includes schools like, oh I don't know, Florida State

Comments

[miamirocks]

This seems kinda silly to me too. What do you think they wil do???

[jaimethenerd]

Holy crap! No more seminoles??

[anonymous]

they don't have permission of the Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma. It seems FSU only wants to be associated with the Seminole Tribe of Florida because they are the ones who were "unconquered". Oklahoma Seminoles have said they do not like FSU's use of the mascot. Maybe FSU doesn't care about what the Oklahoma tribe says because those Seminoles were led to OK in chains....kinda ruins the myth.

[weepingorge]

Correct. Plus it's much easier to negotiate with a small tribe with a greater percent of white ancestors, "conquered" or not than a large Oklahoma tribe.
Not that this should matter. The tribes no more speak for all Natives than the NAACP speaks for all black people. I'm glad the NCAA took this stand.

[xdamnemokidsx]

I don't argue that using an indian tribe name may not be the best idea in the world, but at least FSU isn't using something like "redmen" or something more deragatory.

The fact is, the university is a business and businesses can't keep 100% of their customers happy. Maybe they paid off the Florida Seminoles, maybe they came to terms with them, but whatever the case, the overarching point here is that a body like the NCAA should not force schools to control their mascots..it's just silly, and impedes on the rights of the university just as much as it does Native Americans, all emotional aspects aside.

[lggybchgrl]

but...the University's primary "customers" should be the students. I am an FSU alum..and when attended there were about 100 Native students. There were (and still are) NO American Indian faculty, NO American Indian staff. No official programs to support Native students

[deadsyisme]

What a bunch of arrogant biased conservative bullshit!

[illshowyouall]

I strongly disagree. Being that I AM a native american, and that I AM associated with seminoles, as the original tribe broke away from mine, I can say PERSONALLY that no one ever listens to native americans on their own, so I'm fucking grateful that someone stepped in and forced someone to acknowledge the fact that these people are pissing off a viable part of our population. We aren't some ghosts from the past haunting away school mascots, we're real people with real rights.

Suck on that a bit.

[brainfaucet]

Mmm... touchy subject.

I wonder what people would think if teams took up African tribe names and acted out stereotypical pseudo-African rituals.

I personally think it's odd to totally ban such things. And I would agree something so racist as "Red skins" is ridiculous. But using a specific tribe as a front for power is different. I could, however see how some would be insulted by seeing their ancestry being mocked by a guy in a ridiculous outfit depicting a stereotypical western native.

Right on Brother.

[illshowyouall]

To revise myself...now we have the right idea...this sort of thing would NEVER be allowed to happen to other cultures in America because even minorities and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS have more voice in this country than the people who's ancestors have been living here for thousands of years. It's a beautiful culture, or at least was at one time, and it's MAD NOT COOL seeing something that you honor greatly being mocked just because some corporate "educators" of this ignorant nation want to see their students chasing balls of animal skin around a giant rectangle. Tell me that isn't backwards.

Re: Right on Brother.

[xdamnemokidsx]

You are exactly right babe, though I do want to say that your "students chasing balls of animal skin around a giant rectangle" made me laugh really really loudly, heh.