thanks for the comiseration. And yeah, since I knew she was going to die, and I knew it was by Warren's hand, it wasn't so much a shock- but yes, I knew, as soon as she and Willow got back together, and there was all the happiness, and kissing, and sex...she was a dead woman.
sad.
And yeah, how's that- she finally got in the opening credits the episode she dies- she was in more eps than Oz, and he got full credits. *growls*
Tara is so gorgeous. I love that she is curvy and bigger than Willow! Never heard any complaints, but they must all just be plain blind and stupid. lol.
As for Spike/Buffy, sorry, they got the brunt of my anger. I actually didnt care at ALL about Buffy being shot, since I knew she lived. It was all rather irritating. And yes, I agree, Buffy is usually able to kick Spike's butt...but he can hurt her now. And that was just beyond creepy...it was really disturbing. Still, trying to keep an open mind here.
Forget the things Spike did; I took until seventh season to forgive him for loving Buffy and not being Angel. I'll have more to say about Spike when I finally answer your email -- I do think that he didn't get enough credit for the things he went through (like James Marsters said at the con, he was the Uber-outcast in a show about outcasts, which was why everyone loved him) but I also think that he never, ever acknowledged the things Angel went through.
But yes, xenasgrrl, Spike does manage to redeem himself -- and it's absolutely gorgeous when he does. If at all possible, I'd love to watch those episodes with you.
Hey, we never managed to talk about this in our conversation, so I'll just write to you here instead ~ I have a lot to say about sixth season.
First: regarding the rape scene, that was just bad plotting by the authors. I read someone who wouldn't ever read a fic about Buffy getting raped, because she put, "yeah, like that's ever going to happen." She's stronger than Spike and yeah, it's just not going to happen, ever. I think what the point was, was for Spike to horrify himself -- to come to a point where he'd do something he never thought he was capable of. And with Spike's already established morality, it would take something truly horrible, like an impulse to force the girl he loves, for that to happen. (No, I can't ever picture him trying to rape Dru...but then, I can't ever picture Dru saying "no," either. It might have happened the other way around. There's a lot we don't know about Spike's past.) And again, I won't spoil it for you, but let's just say that Spike finds a way to earn Buffy's forgiveness. I never '
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It's odd how we found the precise opposite things to focus on in season 6. I never paid much attention to Willow and the magic addiction ... but given what I know of your life, it makes total sense to me that that would jump out to you. I was just so utterly focused on Buffy's journey.
When I watched the first three episodes of season 6 at Jeanine & Bill's, Bill turned to us and rolled his eyes and said, "Welcome to season 6," like he thought the angst was just over the top. And maybe part of it is me being an insane angst addict ... which I'm not really apologizing for, lol.
But so much of what Buffy said rang true to me. She got it right ... hopefully without going into too much personal detail ... that's exactly what it feels like to be unwillingly rescued from a suicide attempt. That the world is hard and cruel, and bright, that you've gone from knowing why you are, why you exist, to being uncertain again, from peace back into violence. And it's also a huge struggle to tell anyone that. Not because it's over-vulnerable,
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I loved parts of season 6- and I totally get Buffy's feelings about being back, and feeling lost- it was just hard to watch, and I hated the distance that had come up between them all.
Much of the last few eiposdes was hard for me because when Willow and Tara got back together, it was so beautiful- but I knew it wouldn't last. I knew what was coming (at least, in part).
But I have to admit that after Tara got blown away right in front of Willow, I really didn't care anymore about anything or anyone else. I kind of went to a dark place much like Willow, in fact.
I'll have to watch it all over again, someday, and maybe see things in a different light. Maybe...
The thing is...I dont know that one can understand the anger and the pain, of how Tara died, without being gay, and knowing the context and the history of how gays and lesbians have been treated in televsion and movies. Did you read the link I posted?
I mean with Xena it was a bit different, but still, it was another cliche lesbian death, followed right after the first maintext kiss between Xena and Gabrielle, water transfer cover-up or not, we all knew that Rob put that in intentionally.
Joss may not have killed Tara off because she was gay, but he did it anyway, knowing the cliche, and knowing how it would come across to the viewers.
Willow having another gf (hey-spoiler!) doesn't mean anything within the context of Tara dying, to me anyway.
I love that Buffy treated homosexuality so openly and matter of factly- and I give big kudos to Joss for that. I'm grateful that we got Willow and Tara, at all, but it still feels like a total slap in the face.
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sad.
And yeah, how's that- she finally got in the opening credits the episode she dies- she was in more eps than Oz, and he got full credits. *growls*
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stupid. lol.
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But yes, xenasgrrl, Spike does manage to redeem himself -- and it's absolutely gorgeous when he does. If at all possible, I'd love to watch those episodes with you.
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First: regarding the rape scene, that was just bad plotting by the authors. I read someone who wouldn't ever read a fic about Buffy getting raped, because she put, "yeah, like that's ever going to happen." She's stronger than Spike and yeah, it's just not going to happen, ever. I think what the point was, was for Spike to horrify himself -- to come to a point where he'd do something he never thought he was capable of. And with Spike's already established morality, it would take something truly horrible, like an impulse to force the girl he loves, for that to happen. (No, I can't ever picture him trying to rape Dru...but then, I can't ever picture Dru saying "no," either. It might have happened the other way around. There's a lot we don't know about Spike's past.) And again, I won't spoil it for you, but let's just say that Spike finds a way to earn Buffy's forgiveness. I never ' ( ... )
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When I watched the first three episodes of season 6 at Jeanine & Bill's, Bill turned to us and rolled his eyes and said, "Welcome to season 6," like he thought the angst was just over the top. And maybe part of it is me being an insane angst addict ... which I'm not really apologizing for, lol.
But so much of what Buffy said rang true to me. She got it right ... hopefully without going into too much personal detail ... that's exactly what it feels like to be unwillingly rescued from a suicide attempt. That the world is hard and cruel, and bright, that you've gone from knowing why you are, why you exist, to being uncertain again, from peace back into violence. And it's also a huge struggle to tell anyone that. Not because it's over-vulnerable, ( ... )
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Much of the last few eiposdes was hard for me because when Willow and Tara got back together, it was so beautiful- but I knew it wouldn't last. I knew what was coming (at least, in part).
But I have to admit that after Tara got blown away right in front of Willow, I really didn't care anymore about anything or anyone else. I kind of went to a dark place much like Willow, in fact.
I'll have to watch it all over again, someday, and maybe see things in a different light. Maybe...
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I mean with Xena it was a bit different, but still, it was another cliche lesbian death, followed right after the first maintext kiss between Xena and Gabrielle, water transfer cover-up or not, we all knew that Rob put that in intentionally.
Joss may not have killed Tara off because she was gay, but he did it anyway, knowing the cliche, and knowing how it would come across to the viewers.
Willow having another gf (hey-spoiler!) doesn't mean anything within the context of Tara dying, to me anyway.
I love that Buffy treated homosexuality so openly and matter of factly- and I give big kudos to Joss for that. I'm grateful that we got Willow and Tara, at all, but it still feels like a total slap in the face.
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