Re: Its against the Law, Its Against the Will of the Majority.xluckiestxMarch 9 2004, 18:17:55 UTC
The boy's and girl's clubs analogy, although quite clever, is not entirely apropos. With the two clubs, the name really doesn't mean anything. The boys are all boys, the girls are all girls and they're the same. That's fine. The boys don't care about having the name "Girl's Club" and the girls don't care about having the name "Boy's Club." This is because neither holds value over the other. In the case of "marriage" vs. "civil union," this is not true. Although they may be the same legally, they are definitely not the same in any other respect. The term "marriage" has a strong, powerful, spiritual connotation. Saying that gays can have a civil union, but not get married, is still denying them a right and, thereby, turning them into second-class citizens. You want our rights? That's fine. You're just not good enough to be married. Contrary to Shakespeare (or maybe agreeing with him and not Juliet), everything is in a name
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Re: Its against the Law, Its Against the Will of the Majority.xluckiestxMarch 9 2004, 20:17:07 UTC
marriage n.
1. a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife. b. The state of being married; wedlock. c. A common-law marriage. d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
Marriage as defined by certain churches is between a man and a woman. Fine. Gay people shouldn't be allowed to be married in those churches. What about others that accept gays and their subsequent marriages? Or those who get married outside of religion?
Adoption costs a lot of money. And adoptions can take place long before a child reaches three years of age. How do I know this? You picked the wrong person to comment ignorantly to: I'm adopted. When was I adopted? Three months, not years. True, a family that does not adopt has to pay hospital fees, but a family that does has to pay adoption fees, which are not covered under insurance at all. Plus, should a heterosexual couple that adopts not be entitled to the tax break as well
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Ah yes, the pointless bickerings and arguings of the juveniles. Neither side wil budge, because they are each right, not in truth, just in beleif. Each arguer will never change their position from stubborness, making this grand pissing match yet another excercise in futility. And of course we debate all the time over the absolutely fucking useless topics. Who firkin' cares? Does anybody discuss what how we are devolving into genocide? Or destroying more than we create? Or cutting ourself off from the rest of the world to let evil run rampant unless it serves our needs to remove it? No, you argue about petty things that you beleive you can have a moral victory over becuase it makes you feel better and your view is more right/better than someone else's therefore making you feel better for your own selfish morality you fucking "I know everything because I'm special" teenagers. -Anonymous, because that's the power of the internet
In writing that post I pondered arguing the very point that you brought up, because I saw that that argument was going to occur. Because you are so smart as to distract from the matter at hand by taking a direct assault upon me. Bravo, you have successfully avoided anything intelligent that might have answered the question or by rebutting my statement, but no you just say "you're guilty as well." Congrats, you've managed to prove nothing for your case. I couldn't have done it any better myself.
Scientifically Speaking - I believe homosexuality is a mental disorder. People are not born gay. People choose homosexuality as their sexual preference under certain circumstances as they mature. Not to say which circumstances foster homosexuality, because it could range from an oppresive childhood to an overly open one, but the fact remains, and I say this with conviction, if my parents were to raise anyone or everyone, that no one would be a homosexual. Not to get into religion or morality and say that homosexuality is blasphemy or evil, because just like anyone else with a mental disorder, they should not be punished or discriminated against, simply treated
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If it's a mental disorder, it's still not a choice. People don't choose to be bipolar or shizophrenic. Whatever it is, I just want to make it clear that it's not a choice. Whether it's heridtary or something happens in your life and you become homosexual, it's not a choice. It's as much of a choice as those things I previously listed. I guess in a way it can be "treated," but that would be denying impulses and such, but we do that anyway. The point is: the time in which they treated being gay as having a mental disorder has passed. You don't have to like it, but they're not going to be "treating" homosexuals much more. I think it's more of a "live and let live" issue now
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I would like to state, that although i do follow christianity and roman catholicsm blah blah blah, i find that there is much irony in the fact that marriage is so tightly corrolated with the state and country. There should not be any tax benefits from marriages because marriages themselves are RELOGIOUS ceremonies and traditions. A civil union may and should merit those cuts and benfits, but in a country where the separation of church and state is such a BIG deal (we can't even put a cross up in public schools, they want to take god bless america off of the dollar, and such other things) i think its REALLY ironic that the HOLY SACRAMENT of marriage is a public and state institution. Just putting that out there...
To some people, however, it is religious, and therefore gay marriages may have a negative impact on people who believe in marriages being holy. And as far as a second class citizen is concerned, i would have to agree with steve patelis. No body is ever going to be equal, ever. There will be second class citizens always. Why? because what some people think or believe, is looked down upon by the majority of everyone else. If you want true equality, you may as well start supporting communists. President Bush is a Christian, and he is our president. Deal with it. Some times i think people want Gay marriages just for the attention, not for the actual meaning behind it.
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a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
b. The state of being married; wedlock.
c. A common-law marriage.
d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage: a same-sex marriage.
Marriage as defined by certain churches is between a man and a woman. Fine. Gay people shouldn't be allowed to be married in those churches. What about others that accept gays and their subsequent marriages? Or those who get married outside of religion?
Adoption costs a lot of money. And adoptions can take place long before a child reaches three years of age. How do I know this? You picked the wrong person to comment ignorantly to: I'm adopted. When was I adopted? Three months, not years. True, a family that does not adopt has to pay hospital fees, but a family that does has to pay adoption fees, which are not covered under insurance at all. Plus, should a heterosexual couple that adopts not be entitled to the tax break as well ( ... )
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